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Yes, it is divide and conquer. The people need
education first. When I say education not necessarily going to brick schools.
Education in the sense that they are informed about the deceit going on. Then
there is a need to deconstruct the mind of the people.
As an activist, speaking from experience, the
moment the people have the information needed in their hands they become
un-stoppable.
Dele
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:33
PM
Subject: Re: [Mwananchi] Re: Where is
Miss Pat on Who is the new oppressor in post Independence?
Can someone answer me truly why is it that Africans who live in Africa
cannot unite get rid of corrupt govt.(s) and become one nation I know it
sounds simple but what is the real problem was it divide and conquer. I don't
know as a descendant of African slaves I know the problem in the US we were
brainwashed and stripped of culture identity, and lanquage etc. so why can't
Africans in Africa get together get rid of the problem causers the outside
influnce etc. African Oracle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"What you wrote
below sinks beneath naivete. You are stuck in a time warp, regurgitating OLD
CANARDS that are of little relevance today and betray fundamental ignorance
of African reality." - Ayittey
I always think
you can do better than this.
Dele
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:34
PM
Subject: Re: [Mwananchi] Re: Where is
Miss Pat on Who is the new oppressor in post Independence?
Matek,
What you wrote below sinks beneath
naivete. You are stuck in a time
warp, regurgitating OLD CANARDS that
are of little relevance today and
betray fundamental ignorance of
African reality.
You write AS IF Congo is the ONLY African country
where the people were
subjugated or oppressed and that oppression would
not have been possible
without the support of the CIA. This statement
of yours carries the
implication that apart from Congo, ALL other
African countries have been
FREE. Such nonsense.
For your
information, in 1990, only 4 out of the 54 African countries
were
democratic. Today, the number is a paltry 16. Political tyranny
is
still the order of the day in the vast majority of the
African
countries. Your statement seems to suggest that the CIA,
because of its
support for Mobutu, is behind all this oppression. Such
nonsense.
Tell us who supported:
1. Mengistu of
Ethiopia,
2. Siad Barre of Somalia,
3. Sani Abacha of NIgeria,
4.
Mattieu Kerekou of Benin,
5. Ghaddafi of Libya,
6. Idi Amin of
Uganda,
7. Mugabe of Zimbabwe,
8, Beshir of Sudan,
9. Taya of
Mauritania,
and on and on and on.
To come and tell us that
the CIA alone is behind the oppression of
Africans is, to say the
least, RIDICULOUS.
George Ayittey,
Washington,
DC
Msjoe and netters:
Africans at home
and in the Diaspora know of the CIA's support
of
Dictator Mobutu Ssese Seko.kuku Wazabanga.....a support without
which
the total and complete subjugation of the Congolese
people would have
been impossible. The statistics presented
by nyatsimba below , is but
a known fact to many of us Africans.
..of course Washington now
dismisses it's support of Mobutu with
a waive of the hand , while
arguing that the support was neccessary
because Washington was engaged
in a "cold war" rivary
between n
the "west" and the communist "east" ..and that Mobutu
was an allie in
the cold war. Mention is not made of
the fact that
man many Africans died under Mobutu reign of terror. It is
suprising
that no congolese has
directly held the US accountable for the
suffering of Congolese
citizens under Mobutu. One would think
that
some smart Congolese could have should have taken the US governemnt
to
the courts..if I may say so!!
Peace!!
Matek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello Ms
Pat:
Good
evening from Eastern Standard Time. I am very much interested
in your
inquiry, if you know the answer. To facilitate,
we
can exchange notes on what happened
after independence as we come
by them. Can you please click the
reference below
Nyatsimba's email? Please, do
not forget to come back on when it
happened and if those Africans stood
a chance to get rid of
Mobutu who was ably
fortified by?????
As I said, my request is simple - just
reasonable analyses based on
the known. You can add practicalities to
reasonableness.
Thanks.
MsJoe
In a message dated 3/15/2005 5:14:24 P.M.
Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Interesting
article:
"In
recent years U.S. policy has stressed the need for good
governance in
Africa. Most Africans view this as
a
supreme irony given
Washington’s quarter-century of active
support for
Africa’s most notorious
and
antidemocratic
ruling crook, Mobutu. Between 1962 and 1991, the
U.S. directly
supported Mobutu (with close
to
$150 million in CIA
bribes and secret payments) and his
government (with more than $1.03
billion in development
aid and $227.4 million in military assistance). It even
provided
transport for foreign troops used to
suppress
anti-Mobutu
rebellions in 1977 and 1978.
The U.S. also
helped funnel World Bank loans and IMF credits to
Mobutu’s
government, even though
internal
documents
reveal that these agencies knew in advance the money
was likely to be
stolen and the loans unlikely
to
be repaid. Mobutu
used IMF and World Bank loans to repay
Zaire’s private
creditors, thereby
transforming
private
debt into public debt now amounting to almost
$14
billion.
Mobutu reciprocated by providing bases and supply routes for
UNITA
rebels and by backing the U.S. in
various
arenas. For
instance, as chair of the UN Security Council in
the months immediately
prior to the Gulf War, Zaire
was
crucial in
rallying support for the U.S.-led
military
operation."
http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol2/v2n37cz_body.html
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello
Pat:
Happy Spring Century.
There is functional independence and nominal independence.
Yes, African
gained
nominal
independence. Go to the books and read that. Pat, can you
explain why
colonial masters saw
it
necessary to be fomenting coup d'etats after post-colonial
Africa? Do
me a favor. I have lost my
copy
on Belgian's complicity in Lumumba's death. Do you have
a
copy?
Be cautioned, I am not into white man versus black man and
other
conspiracies. I just need facts
and
reasonable analyses based on the known. Who is the new
oppressor? Of
course we cannot let
current
African leaders off the hook if they fail to uplift. But I
still want
you to tell whether the old
debauchers
actually
left.
MsJoe
In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:30:08 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time,
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writes:
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