Ocii
Let us forget the people murdered in Uganda that is not important and that is
not going to be told by Besigye. Agreed. Let us talk bout corruption that
Besigye has stated publicly, can you kindly state any detail that you have got
from Besigye about the corruption in Uganda apart from generalities? What new
information have you got from Besigye now that he is out of the Movement than
you using your antidotal evidence that we all must keep quite for you know that
he knows but he can not tell. Secondly there is a second very fundamental
statement that Ugandans always make and they make it during an election. When
we had an election that brought in Obote two, Yoweri Museveni went home and
stood under an umbrella of UPM, the Ugandans that new Museveni than any of us
refused to elect the man. The rest of the population of Uganda including Dr.
Kiiza Besigye, failed to take that message and supported Museveni in the Luwero
war, and this is the Museveni we got up to today. Had Ugandans including Dr.
Kiiza Besigye listened to the voices of the Ugandans that knew Museveni, we
would have not lost our country as we have lost it today.
It is very bizarre that Besigye has never stood on any ticket in any Uganda
constituency to be elected, but we can wonder as well why the people of the
entire Western Uganda that know this doctor better than you a Luo from Eastern
Uganda, refused to elect their son's political party even in a single
constituency. FDC has never won even a single constituency in Western Uganda
and I do not see them winning one come 2011 either.
As we failed to follow the knowledge of Museveni's constituency one can marvel
why we are failing to follow the knowledge of Dr Kiiza Besigye's constituency.
And I can wonder what you are privy to about this man that his entire birth
constituency failed to be privy to.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: ocii
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
You see, this is where you are either an idiot, or a silly informer. Besigye
is not in power; he is done with the system. What Ugandans need is to rally the
forces now jettisoning the movement system from their minds, due to their
historical experiences, to galvanize the nation into a political force to bring
about the much needed change, which of course is coming.
I asked you whether Besigye was in Tanzania when Ugandan refugees in that
country invaded the country way back in the 70s, then under Amin. You cannot
answer. I even quoted Dr. Obote on the ways of Mu7 whom you can vote for
anytime. Have you laboured to defend him? Instead you are railing against Dr.
Besigye, as to whether he made public who killed those you enumerated as having
been killed! Kumi District, late Dr. Obote pointed out, was depopulated from a
population of 350, 000 people in 1979 to 150, 000 people in 1990, going by the
census result of that year. These people were not killed by Dr. Besigye, but by
the system that he, Dr. Besigye has disagreed with. Why you even opine Dr.
Besigye has nowhere to go but back to the movement system is quite idiotic at
best. And the reason strategists can not and must never be duped by your silly
and idiotic point of view.
Mulindwa you can not be smart! Do you in your right mind think Dr. Besigye,
after rebelling against the system he ended up disagreeing with, would delve
into releasing such information as to who killed who much too early? Assuming
he knows who killed who, such information can never be release like it is a
simple or matter of jokes! Even if you are one of those killers, of which Dr.
Besigye is privy to such info, he is not going to point you Mulindwa from among
the crowd like you are requesting he does, or just because he has abandoned the
very system of which these people got killed under! Such are not simple
matters. Dr. Besigye is not the system that these people got killed under. He
is an individual who, having been in the system, has disagreed with it. The
only best thing Ugandans who disagree with the system can do is receive the
Besigyes with open arms to move the country forward. Uganda is not anybody's
personal property. The sooner the movement bigwigs realise this the better,
instead of Mu7 looting wananchi's wealth and siphoning it to Tanzania to build
so called Mu7's schools; or looting 29billion Uganda shillings and giving it to
the Madhvanis while Uganda children perish in camps; and many cannot even go to
school because of poverty in their homes.
You are talking to adults here. There are people in camps meeting their
deaths variously. I am sure the last thing they want is idiotic ranting.
Some of you peoples' problem is fear of the past; that is why movementist
always try by any means necessary to bring back into the system, those who
rebeled from it! Now, although you have been railing against recycled
leadership, you are predicting the same fate for Dr, Besigye, that he has
nowhere to go but back to movement system whose leader you Mulindwa made clear
you can vote for anytime! Now who is fooling who? Like I said, you cannot be
very smart! Period.
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ocii
With all due respect, D Kiiza Besigye left the Movement not on political
grounds but because when he and the rest of Movmentists went to DRC to loot,
they looted but Museveni's representatives cut out Besigye in the split of the
loot. Besigye has absolutely no single problem with Museveni, that is why (a)
You have never got any new information about Museveni from Besigye. For example
has he told you who killed Andrew Kayiira even though he was the junior
minister of internal affairs, who even Ssemogerere has publicly stated that he
was handed the Kayiira's file? Has Besigye ever told you who killed our people
for example the Ndeeba Doctor's village, The Dr Barlow's, the Kanungu
massacres. Ocii what details have you got from this man claiming to have ran
out of Museveni? In other wards how has Besigye's defection from the Movment
helped you to understand the inner working of the Movement that you did not
know when Besigye was still an insider? Which brings me to (b) Dr. Kiiza
Besigye has no where to go but to join the Movement and get a job.
And trust me he will.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: ocii
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
You are dead wrong.
Its not Kigezi that can save Uganda but Ugandans. Kizza Besigye plus
others who rebeled against the very system that recruited them to fight Mu7's
war in Uganda realised after some years of politics grounded on hatred toward
other Ugandans that that definitely is not the way for Uganda as a nation.
Mu7's strategy is to kill off those he hate; that is why he concentrated in
killing off his supposed opponents, using various means: "scorched earth";
"combing"; "concentration camps" etc, from the North and NorthEast of the
country!
Late Apollo Milton Obote on "THE CONCEALMENT OF GENOCIDE IN UGANDA",
wrote:
"In March 1990, Museveni moved physically to Kumi District in the East
and remained there for 18 days where he took command of his army against
"rebels". The war, which according to him, had ended was being prosecuted by
him, some nine months later, with the greatest brutalities. The entire
population of Kumi District or whatever number remained alive from previous
massacres, have now been forced into concentration camps and Museveni is
personally commanding his army in the destruction of homes and property.
Considering that the population of Kumi (1979 census) was, in round figures
350,000, the number of the entire population of the District which has not
(1990) been herded in camps is extremely ominous. The number being given is
150,000; that certainly can not be the entire population of Kumi. The missing
200,000 and more appear to be of no interest or concern to those who have
created walls to protect Museveni and conceal his genocide. Kumi is the
District where on several previous occasions, the NRA rounded young men and had
them burnt, gassed or starved to death in Railway wagons. The latest such deed
was in July 1989. Museveni and his army have been engaged in the orgies of
killings in this District like others in the North and East since 1986. Kumi
like its Northern neighbors of Soroti and Lira was a cattle area. This time as
the people went to concentration camps, there was no cattle at all in the
villages; the animals in Kumi are to be found in the NRA barracks; which is
also the case in the Districts of Soroti, Lira, Apac, Kitgum and Gulu."
Depopulation strategy.
Now, Dr. Besigye realised this about ten years ago and rebeled, while you
Mulindwa openly states: "I am scared of FDC for if these people managed to
craft the Movement policies this good to be effective for twenty years, I
surely would vote for Museveni than Kiiza Besigye any time." What you forget so
quickly is that when Ugandans invaded the country from Tanzania way back in the
early 70s to remove Amin, many Ugandan invaders perished not in the hands of
Amin's soldiers! But in the hand of you know who......! Read Dr. Obote's
writings to know more.
My question to you: Was Dr. Besigye among those who invaded Uganda from
Tanzania to remove Amin? If Dr. Besigye was indeed among these guerilla troops
of which eventually many perished but not in the hands of Amin's soldiers, then
sure Dr. Besigye is a dangerous guy who crafted the policy to liquidate these
guerilla men and woman. However, if Dr. Besigye was not among these men then
you need to stop playing with adults here in this forum.
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One of the reasons FDC has failed so miserably is a total failure of
communication, and this has been witnessed from rally to demonstrations to
forums. For some reason, they consider them selves to know better than any
other Ugandan creature, a very reason they claim Uganda's salvation to come
from Kigezi. And that is not the first time major development to have come from
Kigezi, let us remember that it was the old men of Kigezi that advised Iddi
Amin to be a life president, as it was Kigezi which elected Museveni at 99% to
the Kigezi Generals being able to throw Museveni out.
With out Kigezi there seem to be no Uganda.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: ocii
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
So? You got a problem with who I am?
And why are you hiding under some "Mwirima Byaruhanga" on the
internent like everyone else? Come out and let us see. Until then, just shut
up!, for you know very little.
Ocii
Mwirima Byaruhanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ocii,
dont be on the offensive.
that style of writting usually tells a few things:
- you cannot relay your message eloquently in real life
and choose to 'hide behind email'
- you fear to be challenged.
- you do not know how to win an argument peacefully.
either way, as Edward says, your abusive writting style tells much
about
who you really are.
-ebm
ocii wrote thus on 14/07/2007 05:50:
> Mwirima,
>
> You most definitely have difficulties reading or understanding
what is
> written. What part of "butt out" don't you understand? Are you
still
> stuck in kindergarten or you are merely a case of an inferior
Ugandan
> who strive strenuously to appear one who know english language so
> well?
>
> I can write english in any form I chose; it is not my mother
tongue.
> Is that just about clear?
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