Mulindwa,
Like I say, you are simply a non visionary and an idiot, take it or leave it.
Did you not tell us here that you can vote for Museveni anytime? And who is
Mu7? Is he not a Rwandese whose mother brought him to Uganda while running away
from the chaos of Rwanda, a refugee? Now you are claiming that Dr. Besigye is
Rwandese, after running out of reasons to defame the guy.
By God this is the first time I am hearing this nonsense that Dr. Besigye is
a Rwandese! Isn't Dr. Besigye a Mukiga? Okay, if Dr. Besigye is Rwandese, so
what? Was Amin a Ugandan? Some say he wasn't. Is Mu7 a Ugandan? NO!, he is not.
Why then did late Dr. Obote recruited these people into his first
administration? Mu7 was even working in Obote's office! Amin was a high ranking
officer despite the fact that all these people were not Ugandans! Why? Because
Dr. Obote was looking at the bigger picture: Africanity! But here we have
Mulindwa, having a personal bone to chew with Dr. Besigye, is trying to involve
the whole nation! If you have your personal problem with Dr. Besigye, that
entirely is your own problem!
First, it was that the Besigyes were cautioned about supporting Mu7. That
fell through for it could not stand the test of criticism. Then, it was that
the Besigyes have not diclosed any new info on who killed who, like who killed
Kayira. That too fell through, for it could not stand the test of criticism.
Then came, the Besigyes are the one who crafted the policies that has so far
kept the NRA/M in power for all these twenty years! That too fell through! For
it was hogwash. Now the Besigyes are Rwandese!!
You know what, I really care less whether the Besigyes are Rwandese or not.
As someone who look beyond parochial politics, I really care less whether
Besigye is from mars!! All I care about is a system that caters for Ugandans as
a people. Ugandans have every right over their resources and must own it 100%.
Any innuendos to alienate Ugandans from owning their resources: land, forest,
water, oil and gas, you name it; keeping their children out of schools; herd
them in concentration camps, et ceterra, must be fought! Period. The NRA/M of
which the leader, Mu7, you can vote for anytime, is doing exactly all these
above.
Like I said before, just butt out if you don't know what you are doing.
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ocii
"The most important issue today in Uganda is bringing about transformation. "
One of the very many reasons that Uganda has been abandoned this much is
because Ugandans allowed the Rwandese to lead it. That is why they have sold
every single thing with out a single care about it. They do not have
nationalism for Uganda is not their country. My dear fellow Ugandan, why are
you pleading for another Rwandese to again lead Uganda? Uganda has a
population of about 30 Million people, give or take, do we seriously need Dr.
Kiiza Besigye a Rwandese to bring a transformation into our nation? Second
question, I know you are a member of some Rwandese forums, have you read any
where that Rwandese are pleading for Ugandans to lead their nation? So we are
getting Besigye a Rwandese and we get another Rwandese calling him self Mugisha
Muntu although his right name is Mugisha Muntunyera to lead us for Ocii is
pleading for them.
Have we reached a time to publicly state that we can not find leadership from
with in our selves as Ugandans?
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: ocii
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
Mulindwa just write the way you do always. Intellectualism is not your cap of
tea. Any attempts to do so merely make the entire of your write-ups just sound
idiotic!
Back to the issue. It seems you are only fixated on extracting some
information from the Besigyes. Do you get paid for doing so? You must be a very
silly informer. You don't have the intelligence needed to extract those
information. Go to school and learn a little more about spys and intelligent
operatives to know a lot more. In Canada where you supposedly live, it, the
organization, is callled CSIS.
There are many Ugandans who have killed other fellow citizens. If we must
begin to find out about them, I doubt very much if you yourself will be spared.
Granted, personally I would like to see those whose hands are tainted with
wananchi blood, brought to book, the proceedures to do so can not be so idiotic
like you would like to pretend you can can bring it about. You simply cannot!.
Period.
The most important issue today in Uganda is bringing about transformation.
The current movement system has proven the leadership are even more idiotic
than the Okellos era. At least the Okellos did not go to school; they joined
Uganda arm forces during the era of colonization, as young boys - without any
kind of schooling. So, they cannot be blamed too much although they cannot
escape blames entirely. But compared to the so called educated leaders in the
country today, I do not see why the Besigyes cannot be granted the opportuny,
in cahoot with right minded Ugandans who want change, to bring about just that,
Change!
Your ranting is meaningless, without vision, and has no whatsoever weight. It
has been 20 years, and I seriously believe idiotic politics in the country
needs to be laid to rest. The country must be moved; the people are suffering.
So, either you get on board, or stay out of the way and let those determine to
bring about change do it. The Chinese say a journey of 1000miles begins with a
first step!
The movement gurus have mis-stepped profoundly. They have lost their chance,
and force is not going to help them.
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ocii
I would like to state that this is going to be my last discussion with you on
your so called strategy. You think by calling us idiots, you are therefore not
an idiot or a moron? What any body who cares to analyze from the verbiage you
penned below is a typical example of an opportunist, who full of vain glory
believes those he claims he wants to use do not see where he is trying to take
them. That you have such pedestal view about politics is even mind boggling.
You really believe that Besigye will allow an opportunist like you to write his
political agenda for him?
What information does your associating with Besigye been released to you that
you did not already know? Have you ever had of that term in sociology called
participatory observation? It used to be one of the ways used to extract vital
information from people who are suspects but the investigators could not put a
finger to where their involvement fits in. An Investigator would then go and
live with this suspect and in case they are of different gender even get
married to in need be.This was to build trust and have the suspect opening up
all the secrets they have. Little, then did people know that the Stockholm
Syndrome eventually sets in and the investigator becomes part and parcel of the
suspects' life. That is a cause lost. When Museveni and Besigyes' came in, do
you remember the number of DP national executives who were in the cabinet? What
was their remit? They claimed they were there to balance and help make
Museveni's government a more acceptable government.
In 1995/1996 when Paul Kawanga Ssemwogerere left the Mut Junta, except those
executive members who had either passed on or been dropped in previous
reshuffles, how many of his then executive did he leave with? As a self
confessed non idiot/moron and a strategizer, surmise that yourself. One
philosopher once said" Wise People learn from the Experience of Others, BUT
FOOLS, never learn Even from their Own Experience". If you are what you claim
and confess you are, I think this will help you.
I end by quoting another of those anecdotes attributed to the former US defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfedt" To Every Problem,There is Usually a Very Simple and
Straight Forward Solution, which Turns out to be The Wrongs Solution to that
Problem". With that,Ocii, I rest my case as I leave you with your "Strategies".
This discussion is comprehensively closed.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: ocii
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
Mulindwa,
If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no
reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like
you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to
maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet
pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M
government from power!
Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the
only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled
against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend
come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in
Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the
canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa
generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a
member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that
the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member,
work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic
politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the
new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their
overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate
the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision.
Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are soooo dense!!
What you are railing about Mulindwa, is pure nonsense and a demonstration of
stupidity at its hight! The Besigyes joined the NRA/M way back several years
ago, when they were still University students. To expect them then to listen to
other parties' messages cautioning Ugandans on UPM, transformed to NRA/M, when
you know darn well that the political foundation of the movement system rests
on "hate" toward Northerners and Easterners, a polarizing politics designed to
gunner support in the South and west, is simply moronic!! Hold especially an
older person like Eriya Kategaya for not listening to cautions not to support
the NRA/M, and I would say well, you have a point. But even then, such grieve
would not make sense. Why? Because Eriya Kategaya grew up together with
Museveni; they therefore knew what they were upto when they launched the
guerilla movement!
Mu7 galvanized Westerners and Southerners by wipping the anti-Northern and
anti-Eastern Ugandans political messages! Many Ugandans from these regions
(West and South) fell for it; if old adults could fall for Mu7's messages then,
what about Makerere students who hail from those areas? In the process of the
"liberation" from Northerners and Easterners, some of these Mu7's followers
went ahead and committed very serious crimes in the North and East of the
country to the point, they cannot see themselves surviving under any system
different from the NRA/M. Why do you think Besigye was not elected in his own
constituency? Is it because Besigye's people think he is evil, one who
masterminded the establishement of the NRA/M, you would like us to believe? If
so, why is it not that the same people in that region of the country voted
overwhelmingly for a different party, say like UPC or DP, other than the NRA/M
if they do not think highly of the FDC?
Mulindwa, if you are still failing to think correctly, let me think for you.
The reason westerners still vote overwhelmingly for NRA/M and not FDC, is
because: 1). They are looking at Uganda politics from the movement political
looking glass: North/East vs. South/West! As a result they could not vote for
the Besigyes for, in their political camera, the Besigyes are traitors! Period.
You on the other hand, who should have been quick on your feet, to welcome the
Besigyes to craft solutions for speedy downfall of the NRA/M, now that there
are rebels in their rank, is busy demonstrating political buffoonery, attacking
Besigye for he did not listen to UPC cautions to Ugandans not to support the
NRA/M way back in the early 80s ----20 solid years later!! Make sense to you??
The Besigyes supporting NRA/M is a done deal Mulindwa; like a spilled milk.
It is a done deal!! You cannot keep wailing over it day in day out. For how
long are you going to keep wailing over this, knowing fully some of these
people joined the NRA/M in their University days? For another 20 more years
while the UPC on the other hand is engaged in much ado about nothing, save
releaseing useless Press Releases weekly? You fools cannot be serious Mulindwa!
Never ever rant over a spilled milk incessantly if you ever must move
forward! Strategize, and this is the message I have been passing to readers,
but you and your sidekick, Matek are stuck in a rut, hankering for UPC's
tranquil government again!! Guest what, my friends, things have changed!! Dr.
Obote is dead now; he ain't coming back. It is upto you so called UPC members
to craft the way forward for the party!! The way I see it though, with your
errand political activism that literally has brought the party to its knee, you
people are going nowhere. Bitter I know, but hard realities are needed to wake
some zombies up! Take it or leave; hate the message all you want, I don't give
a rat's arse! A spilled milk is exactly what it is, a spilled milk! It can
never be anything else.
2). They have great fear of the unknowns. Given what has been done in the
North and East of Uganda, westerners especially are profoundly afraid; very
very afraid. Why? Because the political looking glass Mu7 duped them into has
cause untold sufferings of fellow wananchi in the North and East of the
country. Yet some of those who cimmitted these gruesome crimes in these regions
are not even Ugandans; they are Rwandese, the like of Paul Kagame, now
president of Rwanda, dead Fred Rwegyema, plus many more who are today officers
in Rwanda army. To get more information on these criminals hiding in Rwanda
Ugandans need people like Mande and Kyakabale. But you idiots are busy
attacking these people. You are literally attacking everybody. If you people
are not politicians, for fuck sakes let those who are, do the job. The strength
of politics rest more on strategies than on political vainglory, and even less
on buffoonery!!
One can get all the info you are trying to dig from the Besigyes not
obviously by attacking them, but through political cooperation for a common
cause. It is pure illusion to even think that you can attack the Besigyes
today, and they will release all the information you are looking for tomorrow.
Politics does not work that way; it just does not!! It is only when the
movement government is ousted from power, and a new political dispensation is
put in place, including an established body of inquiry, that you call for yet
in utter ignorance, that sensitive information can be collected. The Mandes,
the Besigyes, and the Kyakabales then become even very very important!!
But here we have Mulindwa and Matek practicing a politics late Dr. Obote even
never practiced!! Attacking everything that walks and know the word politics so
long as the walking thing is not UPC! If dogs could buck the word politics and
could chose not to be UPC, I am sure these idiots would even attack the dog!!
Yet Matek try to score cheap point by referring to the debate as market
political brawl!! Jesus!
It is you people in a market politics trust me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Matek, who is that rebelling aginst the NRA/M and today?
Mulindwa, it is afende Kurakunta. You know we told the dude not to join the
NRA/M, he did not listen!! Now he is running away!!
How some of us are very slow. Geez!
Correct Ed. But they are not going to get away!! They must tell us who
killded who first before anything else!
Matek trust me, that must be the prerequisite. Have you got any new
information from him yet? What has he told you so far about the inner workings
of the NRA/M?
Nothing yet! Ed what these NRA goons know is motto, so to say.
Karakunta has nowhere else to go but back to the NRA/M, trust me.
Ed these people have seen nothing yet! Motto atawakaka on their *&^%*! Have
you got the Press Release for this week from Mama Miria?
Matek no; not yet. I am calling her office now to find out if its ready.
.........!
Aluta continua!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You can't be serious. Have a good day folks.
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ocii
Let us forget the people murdered in Uganda that is not important and that is
not going to be told by Besigye. Agreed. Let us talk bout corruption that
Besigye has stated publicly, can you kindly state any detail that you have got
from Besigye about the corruption in Uganda apart from generalities? What new
information have you got from Besigye now that he is out of the Movement than
you using your antidotal evidence that we all must keep quite for you know that
he knows but he can not tell. Secondly there is a second very fundamental
statement that Ugandans always make and they make it during an election. When
we had an election that brought in Obote two, Yoweri Museveni went home and
stood under an umbrella of UPM, the Ugandans that new Museveni than any of us
refused to elect the man. The rest of the population of Uganda including Dr.
Kiiza Besigye, failed to take that message and supported Museveni in the Luwero
war, and this is the Museveni we got up to today. Had
Ugandans including Dr. Kiiza Besigye listened to the voices of the Ugandans
that knew Museveni, we would have not lost our country as we have lost it today.
It is very bizarre that Besigye has never stood on any ticket in any Uganda
constituency to be elected, but we can wonder as well why the people of the
entire Western Uganda that know this doctor better than you a Luo from Eastern
Uganda, refused to elect their son's political party even in a single
constituency. FDC has never won even a single constituency in Western Uganda
and I do not see them winning one come 2011 either.
As we failed to follow the knowledge of Museveni's constituency one can
marvel why we are failing to follow the knowledge of Dr Kiiza Besigye's
constituency. And I can wonder what you are privy to about this man that his
entire birth constituency failed to be privy to.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
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