Abbey,
After reading your reply to me yesterday, I have come to conclude you either
confused or don't know a thing about what took place from since Mu7 went to the
bush to fight Dr. Obote's government. I therefore concluded you are not worth
responding to.
Much as Mu7 is the president of Uganda to you, Dr. Obote was the president of
Uganda to many Ugandans. Did he, Mu7, respect Dr. Obote's presidency? NO! He
faught Dr. Obote's government till late Basilio removed the man from power. So,
just like Mu7 did not respect Dr. Obote's presidency and government, know that
many Ugandans don't respect his presidency; and he will go without that
respect. However, he should realise that building personal army is not an
exclusive territory for Mu7 only. If Kony can too build a personal army, so can
others. However, some of us still believe that these fools can be removed by
other means.
Now about your comment below, how about you pay close attention on how
Ugandans are being impoverzied and disenfranchised before commenting the way
you did below? Time is of essence in saving the people and their wealth!
Ocii
abbey semuwemba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mr.Henry Keijagye,
I think what Allan was expressing is the kind of frustration being displayed
on the faces of some Ugandans.They believe that presidential elctions are a
wastage of time and money.They believe that Museveni will only be reoved by
force but not elections.However, i'm one of the few who still want to give
elections a chance.We have had so many wars in Uganda and i don't believe it is
the way to go yet.Let us keep mobilising the population using different means
and may be things will change.
It is sad that we don't have presidential term limits any more because they
give people hope in this situation. This was political suicide committed by MPs
to change the 1995 consitution. We need to correct this before we even think of
other wars.
Abbey
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Message Received: Oct 13 2007, 05:28 PM
From: "henry keijagye"
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: RE: WHY & HOW ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED IN UGANDA
You Allan Barigye i think you are lost in a very thick bush brother!!!! because
i would want you first to explain this, which is more expensive? sensitising
peasants and the using fireworks??? need answer urgently dude.
allan barigye wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px }
body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } True, You can
never assign a value to freedom, It is priceless.We should therefore be ready
to pay and at any cost. The day when it will rain and rain heavily, is the day
when we proudly Identify ourselves as UGANDANS. Only then can these fellows can
never ever have a chance of tramping on anybody. As long as there others
demanding "akenda" from thieves, while many others have completely no business
in politics, others may be harbouring revenge, then there are those wanting
sijui federo, with complete idiotic disunity, we shall remain a gullible
populace that can only at best grumble. As for now I lost faith in the
electioneering in Uganda. And it is not the fault of those commisioners, It is
the TOP!!!! It is this that we must carefuly do something about and do away
with.
And Gosh,there is oil money coming too, It will take only a Gen Schwazkof to
clean the mess these people will and are continuing to create.
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:52:00 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WHY & HOW ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED IN UGANDA
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks Allan
I have a real problem with your fireworks option, what it does is remove the
authority from the pizanti to change his circumstances and instead allows self
appointed gun totting liberators to cause the change, problem is no peasant is
going to control those liberators once they become tomorrows oppressors. This
is what we did in 1981-85 and you can see where we are. We must be willing to
do the hard, work. Educate sensitise and emancipate this peasant until he is
able to gain and keep his freedom. If we bequeath it we ourselves shall soon
steal away that freedom.
You will create a new class of oppressors with your fire works and the
institutions that we wish to create, nurture and depend on to produce a truly
democratic dispensation may never arrive.
Let us patiently do the work it takes to strengthen our people, there will
indeed be broken limbs, skulls, jail terms, teargas and all manner of ills but
with time justice will triumph.
We just must be willing to pay the price
allan barigye wrote:
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass
EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} The only problem I
see here about designing a civic education to educate the poor mass about their
rights and their power is that the current sitting gov't knows it and the
effects thereafter and hence will never ever allow it. These are the treason
cases you hear about. Let FDC or DP for that matter start organizing these kind
of programs, they will be met and crashed mercilessly by the likes of Mutales
and kayihuras. Moreover, funds for such activities are never readily available
for the opposition b'coz it is definately a very expensive exersize.
These people simply need real fire works that should sober them up and serve as
a warning to the next set of buffoons riding on the poor pizanti.
Sindiyo???
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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:47:19 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WHY & HOW ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED IN UGANDA
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friends,
Let me just point out a few reasons why and how elections are rigged in
Uganda today
1) A hopelessly gullible population.
Those people are poor uninformed & unorganised. Often they are simply
incapable of standing up to the intimidation, coercion and bribery of those in
power.
In most cases it is often out of fear of retribution should GVT loose in
their area and stay in power that the poor peasants unhappy as they might be
will elect those who have the guns to their heads.
It is only in extreme cases like in Northern Uganda where the peasant feels
they have very little left to loose that they courageously vote to reflect
their true feelings.
The solution to this is patient consistent education of the masses about
their rights and their power. This is a slow and laborious process but it is
only other alternative to an armed insurrection.
2) Biased state institutions and operatives.
You have all these stomach minded Ugandans manning the electoral commission,
police Army and other crucial civil service positions, these people are falling
over themselves to be seen to be helpful in getting the GVT to win an election.
This is because they hope it can earn them favours, promotions and money and
indeed it works. This army of riggers will work to swart democracy even without
prompting from the leaders that be.
There is no easy cure to these self motivated riggers, it will only take a
growth of the opposition to a level where these guys are not so sure whether
even with their help the GVT can stay in power. Unsure of who the next rulers
will be, these opportunists will then jump into neutral gear and actually put
on a professional performance. It happened in Kenya and all these places where
opposition has grown until it overwhelms a sitting government. It will happen
in Uganda. But only after patient, focused, consistent & multifaceted hard work
has been put in by a critical mass of Ugandans. We all most exert ourselves to
achieve this.
For now we live in toil and in hope. We shall not tire or despair.
Asante
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Cliff! I wonder why someone like Mulindwa would write such a long essay
about something he does not understand? Elections are not rigged by forcing
voters ofcourse but by manipulating the count. With opponents unable to furnish
polling stations monitors at all polling stations right there gives
unscrupulous politicians and their supporters a free hand to stuff ballots in
boxes and even freely determine the final count of the votes. Also about the
districts, Uganda does not use the electoral college kind of system. Its the
total count of votes that matters for the presidency at least, not how many
constituencies were won. Also constituencies are determined by population.
Voter registers can be messed with in areas of opposition support. My advice
for the opposition; Its not enough to win votes, you need to protect them
vigilantly.
Aligawesa
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Musimenta
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:36 am
Subject: RE: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA
Your point # 1 below is a sign of the highest ignorance about Ugandan
politics and political news/analyses that there can ever be. Ever heard that
some people vote while still on the way to the voting station? And this is
common knowledge to everyone that cares to know. Mr. Mulindwa please revist you
knowledge reserves if they still contain anything. Thanks.
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From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OMWAAMI ABBEY SSEMUWEMBA
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:36:09 -0400
Ssebo Abbey Ssemuwemba
I want to pick up on your posting of last night that I was unable to finish
for I had an election night. And this is about the rigging of elections in
Uganda, for you very well asked a question and I quote " if Museveni was
confident of winning a free and affair election in Uganda, why does he find it
necessary to rig the elections, to terrorise voters and militarise the
politics? Why should a popular leader use the Kakooza Mutale and Tumukunde to
beat people up?" And I need to take a moment and pick up on this argument for
this issue of rigging election has reached a point where I think we must face
it.
Now suppose all you have stated is true, suppose the Kakooza Mutale's and
Tumukunde's beat up people during the election, how does that affect the
electors? Is there any known election in Uganda where a soldier or an army
officer or any government agent has been known to follow an elector into the
election closet and instruct a Ugandan on what to tick? And I do not think so.
Yes there may be a terrorisation into Ugandans by wrong elements in elections
but truth has to be always told, Ugandans as a people still have the right to
go and alone inside a small room and choose who they want to elect. And
honestly if a government agency has terrorised me from the out side when I get
a chance to be alone into that room why do I really elect that government?
Wouldn't that make every body mad and do not elect the sitting government? What
I need to be explained here, how can a government agency terrorise a population
in such a way that they go into a ballot box and elect the
government? Are Ugandans really that stupid?
Second point, elections are all over the place the same and I have followed
or been involved into so many elections including the one of last night that I
have been involved in very extensively. Although we get a day to elect but we
surely know from get go who will win an election and by how much before people
go into that ballot box. I stated right here in this forum, I think I was
writing to OJ, that in the coming Ontario elections, The Conservatives are
going to loose, I stated too that John Tory was not going to be elected and
after this loss he is going to get out of politics and I will post his
resignation letter into this forum. The only thing that has not happened yet
is John's resignation, now the PC's have a party meeting next February, I will
be surprised if he is still their leader. We do not have a leader of opposition
for the party was so devastated. Now tell me Mwaami Ssemuwemba, how did I
manage to state those things with such accuracy, was the Ontario
election rigged? No it was not but as a man that follows election, this
election was very hyped, a return of the conservatives was a No go for we have
a very bad history on them, and let me state this two, the Liberals are going
to win a next election which will be 4 years to come, un less they make a very
huge and large stupid mistake. And it still will be a majority government. And
I will be back here to remind this I told you so. There are constituencies that
you know for sure have to be won by the Liberals even if they did not campaign,
Toronto center the constituency I live in, we even refused them to knock on our
doors, for we wanted the minister of health re-elected no questions asked, and
to preach for the opposition in my constituency was a waste of time.
Now go back to Uganda, Do you think that there is any body that can preach in
Masaka to make Buddu not elect DP? For example today, is there any one who
expects FDC not to win in urban areas? And the answer is no because FDC got all
the votes from non critical thinkers, and they all happen to be Bayaayes who
mainly dwell in urban centers. Even if you beat the lives out of them with
sticks or with facts, the Muyaye of Kampala is going to elect FDC that is a
given. Why were they elected in Northern Uganda? Because FDC played on their
agony by lying to them that he has 98% of UPDF and the armed forces will face
the movement and throw he government out. And if you look carefully Besigye did
not use that statement any where in Uganda except the areas that were in agony
with the Movement, and that happened to be Eastern Uganda and North. Of course
people were tired in those areas with the sufferings, of curse they are smart
to understand that Museveni needs an army revolt, and
of course Besigye as a man that was in the army had to be trusted to be
stating what he knows for he was not known to be a liar and he was a soldier.
Even if you told the Northerners that a Pig will lead the army to throw out
Museveni they would have elected it. There is no way you would terrorise the
population in camps not to vote for who ever has the army's backing. And when
you look closely, after Besigye started to be arrested day in day out and no
single soldier opened up his mouth, FDC started to loose Northern Uganda for
now they know him as a liar. That is why they have never won even a single
by-election that is why UPC started to make wins in some areas. And that is why
I state that in next election most of the votes to FDC are going to go to UPC.
I would be very surprised if UPC does not become the official opposition.
In conclusion. rigging happens in Uganda but on a much intellectual scale and
this is what I need to emphasize. The coming election is being rigged today in
Uganda, when we are sleeping. As we spend all time talking about the Kakooza
Mutale's and Tumukunde's the coming election is being rigged. Because the
government is carefully looking for the areas of support and allocating those
areas with so many districts. Even if you bring all eligible voters in Lubaga
and they show up with their goats and cows, and all these vote, you are all
still voting for a single MP. yet when you go into areas the government expects
to be won, the very same number of population is going to bring in 5 MPs. You
do not need to terrorise the population to win such election. And that is why
some of us can sit and tell you who will win and who will loose with a margin
of .5 mistake. What you need to do in Uganda is to forget every thing, but
create or fight for an independent electro commission.
When you get that, allow that indpendent commission to work out a policy on
demarcating the constituencies, if they base on districts let it be uniform, if
they base on population let it be uniform, then let the electors fight for
these constituencies. The sitting government must never be given a right to
demarcate constituencies especially in Uganda where most people are in urban
areas, for the population of Apach is not the same as the population in
Buganda. That is where you need a system of equal representation. This is some
thing we all as Ugandans must fight for, an independent electro commission, and
let the government deal with the Tumukundes if it wants or not. But let the
vote thrown into the box represent equally. Ugandans must be educated to
understand that the very many votes thrown into ballot votes do not mean
winning, it is getting many MPs that means winning.
The question to you today, is how are those constituencies demarcated?
EM
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