This is a classic case of a very confused man. You are so confused and you don't even seems to know what a tail or head is. You blame Dr. Besigye for running Uganda collapse. How idiotic can that be? Dr. Besigye has never been the president of Uganda; yes he was an NRA/M. But he has never been the president of the country. He rebelled against the very system ten years ago! Being part of the system does not make him the founder; it is the founder that must be held accountable for he even rigged elections, something that he went to the bush fighting Dr. Obote's government over. So your claim that Dr. Besigye ran the country to its collapsed is pure hogwash. Mu7 started the war, and Mu7 has been the leader of the pack for now 21 years, and it is Mu7 we must hold accountable for the deaths of many Ugandans. He cannot escape that. You also call upon Ugandans to fire all these people from the leadership. Good call! But do you even realise how pathetic this "Ugandans need to wake up and hold all these people responsible for their actions, and all of them. We must at minimum hold them responsible for the deaths of our people, or all of our dead people will have absolutely no meaning what so ever." sound when the same you claim Ugandans have resigned? How can Ugandans wake up when the same system that has forced them into perssive citizens whose land and wealth are being taken off from at a speed no one has ever seen in the country is still in power suppressing and impoverizing them forcefully?! Yet you are fighting a force that is also fighting the same system you cliam to be against?? You leave the architect of the deaths and destructions of Ugandans and Uganda, and instead fight someone who realised the rottenness of the system ten solid years ago, and is fighting it?? How stupid can Africans get really? This is the hight of stupidity. No wonder UPC is dying from the head. Now listen to this: "Luwero did not loose ten people, some of us are in Diaspora fighting with snow not for we were useless in Uganda but our bare lives were cut into half, our investments that we had planned for our children wasted, our very own lives became threatened, and those that refused to run out of Uganda are today dead. Yet every single day I have flown into Uganda I have seen a society that has given up, and decided to eat roasted meat and die. A society with no future no aspirations, these people take their children to school for if you do not study you will not go abroad, there is no Uganda for tomorrow for every one is leaving." How many light years has Dr. Besigye parted ways with the system he was part of, a system that is presiding over Uagnda affairs while what you describe above takes place?? And you call upon Ugandans to wake up and throw these people off power?? Yet the same Ugandans have, your words: "given up, and decided to eat roasted meat and die"?? Mulindwa you seriously don't know what you are doing; with that, whatever party you belong to can never remove Mu7 if at all you are fighting Mu7. To think that you are going to overhaul Uganda tomorrow by shouting on the internet from Toronto, is just plainly silly, especially when you claim Ugandans have resigned and are just eating roasted beef and die!! Your idiocy is unparalleled. You cannot bring change anywhere with such level of confusion in your mind. Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mwaami Ssemuwemba Good politics is achieved by society being able to enumerate their leaders, if a leader is good he gets re employed, if he is bad he gets fired. we do that by using a system called an election. Running a nation is like running a business, the government is the board of directors with the President as a chairman of the board. That makes Uganda the corporation with Kampala as a Corporation head quarters. The Doctor Kiiza Besigye's ran the corporation to its failure, we did not lose only money into this Corporation but we even lost our clients that the manufactured goods were being sold to all along, so as we speak the corporation does not even have clients to sell to. And now you want to fire the chair man of the board and hire the very man that was writing the policies that took the corporation to the Ghetto it is in? I did not think so. I think you are a smart investor who clearly know that no one will buy any share into the new company if the same old terrible men are running the company, you need an urgent board meeting to fire all of them and to hire a fresh new members as the only assurance to foreign investors that you have the maters of the corporation under control. And just a note. I am getting really tired of this minimizing of the tragedy the Movement has brought into Uganda. Wafiua Oguttu just asked a very terrible question, So what? So to many of these Movement turn arounds, the damage they have done to Uganda is very minimal. For to the Wafula Oguttu's raping men in Northern Uganda in front of their wives and children is a so what? The holding a population in camps for all this time is a so what? For one wonders why you even post Dr Kiiza Besige's apology, do you seriously think that the damage that happened in my district can be erased by a mere I am sorry? Sorry that is it? And even if I was to accept that sorry, does that qualify Besigye to a clean slate of even leading Uganda? What have you people taken Uganda to be today? A personal property where thousands if not millions are killed and you save face by a mere "I am sorry"? Ugandans need to wake up and hold all these people responsible for their actions, and all of them. We must at minimum hold them responsible for the deaths of our people, or all of our dead people will have absolutely no meaning what so ever. Luwero did not loose ten people, some of us are in Diaspora fighting with snow not for we were useless in Uganda but our bare lives were cut into half, our investments that we had planned for our children wasted, our very own lives became threatened, and those that refused to run out of Uganda are today dead. Yet every single day I have flown into Uganda I have seen a society that has given up, and decided to eat roasted meat and die. A society with no future no aspirations, these people take their children to school for if you do not study you will not go abroad, there is no Uganda for tomorrow for every one is leaving. 65% of today's Uganda population is under age 35 for all adults have left. And you think that I can change my mind for "you are sorry"? EM Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Ugandans at Heart" Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Besigye apologises to the people of Luwero(Reconciliation and peace) Kiiza besigye said the following while in London:"I have no reservations at all apologising for my role in the war in Luwero, although at the time I was and still I am totally convinced I was fighting for change for the better. As one of the former British leaders once said, 'democracy may be the worst form of governance, but there is nothing better.' Many countries around the world, even here in the UK, have fought battles but after went back and embraced democracy......'' Source:Monitor Newspaper(2007). I believe this is the beginning of the reconciliation process. Besigye has apologised to the Luwerolians.Let others follow and apologise for the atrocities committted against the people of Uganda.Hope Brother Mulindwa Edward forgives the man and we move on.If the man who was just a bush surgeon in the NRA struggle has come out to apologise, why should it be difficult for those who fired bullets to do so? Abbey On Oct 13, 5:00 am, abbey semuwemba wrote: > Mr. Ocii, > Museveni is the president of Uganda whether you like him or not, whether > he is legitimate or not,whether he rigged the presidential elections or > not.The reconciliation process can be started or engineered by you or any > body else but ultimately it will end up at the president's desk.He will > always get involved at some stage which is fine by me as long as we > achieve the intended objective: reconciliation and peace. > Abbey > > ======================================== > Message Received: Oct 12 2007, 11:05 AM > From: "ocii" > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Any Ugandan can start the reconciliation process > > "If this situation finally leads to Mr. Ogole and Mr. Museveni's > reconciliation, then it will be good for the nation and Dr.Besigye would > be applauded in this process" > > Why if I may ask are you trying to link Mu7 to the meeting? Dr. Beigye met > Col. Ogole on his own acord as an opposition leader. It is the same as Dr. > Besigye meeting other opposition leaders; Col. Ogole only happened to be a > military man. > > So, why link Mu7 to the meeting? > > Mulindwa's attempt to link Dr. Besigye to anything, to try and discredit > the man, is at best stupid, and is not going work. It is exposed, and he > only can continue at his own risks! > > Ocii > > Abbey Semuwemba wrote: > > Come on, Mr.Mulindwa, > You know as much as I know that the state is the biggest terroriser of Dr. > Besigye. They hate the man even when he coughs some people are not happy. > That statement by Mr.Tumwine is a bit irresponsible. Every sane Ugandan > citizen has got a job to do what he or she thinks is right for the nation > and it is within their right. If he or she has got the means to do it, > then they should go ahead and do it. Here Dr. Besigye was acting in his > position as both a responsible citizen and president of FDC party. If this > situation finally leads to Mr. Ogole and Mr. Museveni's reconciliation, > then it will be good for the nation and Dr.Besigye would be applauded in > this process. The problem with politicians or army generals making such > ridiculous statements like that of General Tumwine is that it becomes a > stumbling block in the process of reconciliation. They feel that the > reconciliation process should be started, channelled and ended with them > which is wrong. Any body can start this process even if it ends up being > officially channelled to the president's desk or the reconciliation > committee. > > By the way, I don't see why these issues should be publicly addressed by > the big men in the army. This is a national issue which should be > addressed by either the president's office or the Ministry of foreign > affairs. It is not an army issue despite the fact that some people now in > UPDF were rocking horns with Ogole during the Luwero war. Why should we > have the army getting involved in almost every state level. Why can't the > president keep the army out of these things? It is not good for the long > term stability of Uganda. Dr. Milton Obote employed the same methods and > they turned against him. Amin did it but it never worked. I'm yet to see > how long Mr. Museveni is gonna keep militarising Uganda politics and work > for him and Uganda. Again, I'm saying this in my capacity as a responsible > citizen of the Republic of Uganda. > > Abbey > > GOD BLESS > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Mulindwa > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 12:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Besigye meets Ogole > > Ugandans > > And that is where you slow down and read the reports that actually Dr > Kiiza Besigye's trips are state sponsored, very carefully. People be very > careful with the scenario in Uganda politics. > > EM > Toronto > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jean Paul Mivumba > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:03 PM > Subject: Besigye meets Ogole > > 'I am sure he is free to return. We would welcome him. (Col) Ogole is a > Ugandan. But who was Dr Besigye representing. He is not government," Lt. > Gen. Tumwine, also member of the UPDF High Command said in a telephone > interview yesterday.' > > I think this is "Nugu" that Besigye upstaged them. Does Besigye need to > be representing anybody to meet Ogole or anybody else? Is it only > government that can meet exiles? > -------------- > > Army, MPs welcome Ogole- Besigye meeting > HUSSEIN BOGERE, YASIIN MUGERWA & MERCY NALUGO > KAMPALA > THE London reconciliatory meeting between Colonels Kizza Besigye and John > Ogole has received a nod of approval from a section of Ugandans. > Col. Ogole and Dr Besigye met in London last Sunday. > > Former bush war commander Lt Gen Elly Tumwine said Col Ogole is welcome to > Uganda, although he wondered in whose capacity opposition leader Dr > Besigye met Col Ogole. > "I am sure he is free to return. We would welcome him. (Col) Ogole is a > Ugandan. But who was Dr Besigye representing. He is not government," Lt. > Gen. Tumwine, also member of the UPDF High Command said in a telephone > interview yesterday. > > The UPDF spokesman, Maj Felix Kulayigye said reconciliation was not a new > concept. > "We have passed out 77 former LRA rebels. Nobody has been harassed. It is > an old concept to absorb our adversaries," he said. > > "When we capture you, you either join us or you go home. There is the > example of Maj. Gen. Julius Oketa who was a Lieutenant when he joined us. > We don't need lessons. It has been our modus operandi on a non-combat > avenue." > > At Parliament, Chwa MP, Livingstone Okello-Okello commended the move > saying it was a new gesture that Uganda needs to embrace. > > Oyam South MP, Ishaa Otto said Col Ogole and Dr Besigye's meeting is > welcome in the interest of peace and reconciliation. "This is what > Ugandans need to hear. How long are we going to hate each other? President > Yoweri Museveni should learn from this," the legislator said. > > Kawempe South MP and DP member Ssebuliba Mutumba was amazed to see the man > who inflicted most casualties on the NRA in the Luweero bush war happily > reconciled with Dr Besigye. > > "It is a sign of optimism towards a united nation. We need to teach our > leaders that detestation cannot take us forward," he said. > Bunyaruguru MP Gaudioso Tindamanyire said the NRM had not prevented > anybody from coming back to Uganda. > > "We welcome everybody because it is the cornerstone of the government that > cherishes tolerance," he said. > > Peter Claver Mutuluuza (Mawokota MP) however dismissed Col. Ogole as > "expired and therefore cannot be a threat to the established NRM > government." > His views were echoed by Robert Byabashaija (Youth Western) who said Dr > Besigye and Ogole's reconciliation cannot take the NRM by surprise. > > The opposition shadow minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr Reagan Okumu (Aswa > County) added a twist to the meeting, saying there was nothing personal > about Dr Besigye and Col. Ogole's meeting. > > "The only difference between the two was during the bush war where they > believed in different leaders. They became enemies by extension and any > reconciliation is secondary because a primary one should be between > Besigye and Obote and between Ogole and Museveni," he said. > > Jimmy Akena, son to former President Dr Milton Obote whose government Col. > Ogole served declined to comment on the matter. > Col. Ogole, a top commander of UNLA forces under the late Milton Obote > inflicted most casualities on the then rebel National Resistance Army led > by President Museveni, after the mysterious death of Brig. Oyite Ojok. > > In his book, 'Sowing the Mustard Seed', President Museveni mentions > several battles between his rag-tag army and the UNLF led by Col. Ogole. > > "Meanwhile, the UNLA force led by Ogole was desperately chasing us, trying > to make us jettison our equipment.when we were about to start moving, he > attacked us at Birembo with artillery and Katyusha rockets. We managed to > repulse him, but we lost five of our boys." President Museveni recounted. > > http://www.monitor.co.ug/news/news10114.php > -- > "Blessed are those that expected nothing. They will not be disappointed." > > All new Yahoo! Mail > > Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page > > GOD BLESS- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ugandans at Heart" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Ugandans-at-Heart?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail
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