Abbey, Are you moderating my messages? If not you then who? Ocii
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emily and Charles Kibuka, You are both not moderated at all.I'm on a holiday away from UK.That is why i delayed responding to your messages.If your messages didn't go through,it is was due techinical problems with respective servers. I have been reading through messages and i'm happy to say that the language of the forum has improved tremendously.Nobody is abusing the other.Please keep it up. Thank you. Abbey On Nov 2, 5:42 pm, Emmy Wasirwa wrote: > Mine too as response to Cliff > > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:40:01 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]: Re: Abbey.That one too did not make it through. So it > seems.---------------------------------------From: "Jean Paul Mivumba" To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:31:47 -0500Subject: Were there no > others to fight ( or fighting) Idi Amin?"Suppose I had retired in 1975 before > the defeating of Idi > Amin?"http://www.monitor.co.ug/news/news11011.php--------------------------... > On 11/1/07, Charles Kibuka wrote: > > Bwana Abbey, My mail of last night with a subject line: "Its called self > defence against the nyamulenge" did not go through. Olabika okatulide. JN > > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:18:33 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Mixing is > not badTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Uganda has had two presidents whose > nationalities and loyality to Uganda are questionable: Amin and Museveni. > Amin heavily depended on Southern Sudanese vaguelly confirming the suspicion > of most that he was not Ugandan. Both the amry and secret security agency > were flooded with people from across the borders of Uganda. Museveni has > literally recycled what Amin did, flooding both the army and secret security > agency with people from across the borders of uganda, demonstrating more > loyality to Rwanda than Uganda, confirming in a way that indeed, his roots > are on the other side of the border. Highly educated, experienced and > qualified Ugandans have left their own country to be run by people from other > countries.Reversing this trend by force is going to be problematic and > frankly very costly in terms of human life. These people are fully armed and well prepared to defend the status quo. What complicates this situation is the dubious war in the North and then the unclear position of Buganda whether to secede, or go federal. There is no unifying factor to confront the situation like it was when Ugandans decided to fight Amin. To make it worse, the opposition political parties are completely unsure of themselves. They are frozen in this muddled struggle for democracy which most have tried in the past, but killed only to turn around and blame for Museveni for it. So, JN, dialogue might make more sense than what Luweero II might do or achieve. If it failed the first time as it did, it is going to fall again the second round. Removing Obote and UPC was no solution at all, though according to you it was a solution. Through talking, we may decide, well these people have been here long enough, let us just accept that they are one of us, tame each other to be humans and move on.In the first place very very few, of Museveni's age, if there are any at all, who can prove beyond reasonable doubt, their place of birth, time, date and lead us to any court in Uganda where they can find their birth certificate like a Canadian would where an organized citizenship documentation is done. If we went deep into our past, some of the banyamulenges may even be more ugandans than those making the loudest noise about their Ugandaness.OJCharles Kibuka < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mixing up with our neighbors is not the problem here OJ, in any case its a > good thing for even great kings have always married from far away, and they > still do now. There is many positive things that play into that, including > genetics. The Baganda with that historical and very interesting nose, have > always turned further south, for some help to an improved shinoz to their off > springs. We have always mixed with out any problems, until this wave of land > grabbers showed up on our door steps. Congo where these people are coming > from is a vast country with much of its land untouched, why cant they live > there? Why Uganda? You say we should dialogue with the Banyamulenge to find a > lasting solution, well, easier said than done. Have you forgotten that they > have guns, and support from Tinyenfuza?? You go dialogue with a gun on your > head, mean while, I will come tiptoeing slowly from behind to count how much > of the beatings you can sustain at your age. JN > > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:38:03 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: Nyamulenge > must go (JN)To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > JN: > This is not the first time we are mixing Ugandan citizens with our > neighbours. The Numibians could as well recount what they went through during > Amin's era. While they certainly had an upper hand in Uganda's political, > military and economic affairs than other Ugandans did, there was the downside > too. They were categorized as Souhthern Sudanese. While that branding was > right in some ways, millions of people suffered. We saw an entire region > (West Nile) being chased across the border. > Carrying the campaign the way you are doing, could see a new level of > ethinicide in the West of Uganda. It is important that you drop the Luweero > syndrome (they are not Ugandans), let us fight them out. I do not deny, there > are new people coming in un invited my our immigration and citizenship > department, but by officials of the Ugandan government. > This problem cannot be sorted out by firing another first salvo in Rwakitura, > but through dialogue. > even the some of the world known warriors have laid down their weapons in the > name of peace. One such warrior was Morihei who served as an infantryman in > the Russo-Japanese war and later battled pirates and bandits during an > adventure in Mongolia, and then after mastering a number of martial arts, > served as an instructor of Japan's elite military academies. > Throughout his life, however, Morihei was sorely troubled by the condition > and strife that plagued his world: his father's battle with corrupt > politicians and their hired goons,the devastation of war, and the brutality > of his country's military leaders. Thus peace became his mission.OJDesmond > Nzaana wrote: > > Kateregga has already listed a good number of Ugandan nomadic communities, > but we have Bahima Tutsi and Basongora in Uganda a good number of whom are > still nomadic Ekissodde Ekissodde wrote: > Nzana,if you have any evidence that these Balaalos are indigenous > Ugandans,please share it with us.Desmond Nzaana < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bwana JN > > Well, your piece here made intresting reading, but it might contribute to > fanning the flames of Balalo hatred which we should guard against. > I say so because I think we need to acknowledge that there are indiginous > Ugandans that are balalo and are nomads. It is our responsibility as a nation > to find solutions if their way of life has now come into conflict with the > economic activities of other Ugandans. > > It is true that the balalo appear to have better protection and follow up > from the state than other communities whose needs of land has brought them > into conflict with others and that must be condemned. A good example are the > problems the Bakiga have faced in Tooro and Bunyoro where GVT has largely > ignored their pilight or sided with those who wanted them evicted. This needs > addressing because it is a harbinger for disaster to give any people > preferrential treatment, you merely set them up for persecution should the > drums change the sticks as they say. > > That said we must still try to accommodate these nomadic Ugandans educate & > facilitate them to live a settled life that is more productive. And we should > welcome those other Balalo that may have originated from neighbouring > countries as long as they come in openly and legally and have chosen Uganda > as their home. I am sure we have all to gain if such people are intergrated > into productive lifestyle. They can make a contribution. Gaining people > cannot be a loss not at our stage of development. Europeans are allowing all > their nationals to move and work and live anywhere in the Union. We aspire to > a political federation of EA it cant have any meaning if we are unwilling to > imagine East Africans moving about and settling wherever they choose. > > I do not share your fears about mass migration. People will and should move, > people are a crucial factor of production in any economy. Easy movement of > human resource is positive the easier this movement and the larger the sphere > of it the better. > > And about the spitting and ash from the enyungu soiling our pavements? I hope > you just added that for humour > Good DayCharles Kibuka wrote: > That is why I have very many questions for the advocates of the EA, for mass > migration is only one of the the many problems that Uganda is faced with once > this project becomes a reality. Museveni comes from a tribe of people that > happen to be wonderers by default. They meander and zig zag around menacingly > interfering with the peaceful way of life that the indigenous people are used > too. I'm sorry that some people have been killed in this confusion, but I'm > not sorry one bit that Ugandans are defending them selves against these > intruders. We had milk and skins before they come, therefore we do not need > too much of these skins and milk than we can consume. Let them go back God > knows where Museveni fished them from, and we shall trade with them from, > again God knows what their country is called. Look, I do not see any economic > importance or viability that these people come with, they are just "watembeyi > ya ngombe" and they consume all they produce from their animals. Ugandans get nothing, nix, zero...Warudi kwenye mustuni. There is also many reasons that make these balalo people a hate and hit target, and here is some of the few: 1) They come into our country uncoordinated, and in a mysterious manner2) They are the most arrogant people you will ever know. 3) They stubbornly and deliberately graze their animals on our people's crops4) They are armed by the state to intimidate and terrorize Ugandans when they complain about their animals eating up their crops.5) They are a threat to national > ... > > read more ยป --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ugandans at Heart" group. 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