"People are up in arms, about this balalo issue, when so far what they have
done is wonder across the country with their cows something they have been
doing for generations."
Is that what they are doing? "wonder across the country "?
I don't see you going very far with your peace mission. Keep on trying but
you ain't going far with it!!
Did you tell the Mu7s to seek peaceful means since 1980? Or you were in a
slumber?? I don't think you were born in 1980. So watch out mista!!
Ocii
Oryema Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Emmy,
I believe you are an FDC supporter. If FDC supporters are going out of their
way to support mob justice, then obviously, sir, this party has lost its way
completely. It is just too dangerous for Uganda to have two war mongering
political parties: NMR and FDC.
What should bother Ugandans the most, is how few Ugandans have called for an
uprsing when their fellow citizens in the north have been under siege for 20
years. People are up in arms, about this balalo issue, when so far what they
have done is wonder across the country with their cows something they have been
doing for generations.
OJ
Emmy Wasirwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } In a country where there is no rule
of law, there is no human rights and so on and so forth what does one expect.
Natural justice has been over taken by mob justice and that is how it should
be. May be by doing so the the government will be pushed to the corner and
admit that rule of law has to be upheld at all levels. In fact I printed the
picture I saw in Monitor where police were caning people on the ground and my
body was thrilled with cold blood. Yes! If that is the case why cant the
population defend itself where the government has failed?
What is good for the gander is good for the goose and so where there is no law
mob justice should be used as a means of natural defence.
Emmy
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:54:51 +0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Nyamulenge must go (JN)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friends,
While I agree that there is little that one can put beyond the capabilities
of the regime in Kampala, and thus the balaalo phenomenon might be a power
preservation scheme by some people as has been suggested, I would still wish to
argue members to consider the equally plausible possibilty that these are
normal peasants going about in a struggle to better their lot. If we encourage
people to take the law in their hands we may usher in an avalanche of violence
that might get out of control, and if a genocide occured both the killers and
their victims will both be loosers. The people who did it in Rwanda are not
enjoying the aftermath.
OJ, I agree we should not use language that could inflame things further. The
situation is bad enough already
Oryema Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JN:
This is not the first time we are mixing Ugandan citizens with our
neighbours. The Numibians could as well recount what they went through during
Amin's era. While they certainly had an upper hand in Uganda's political,
military and economic affairs than other Ugandans did, there was the downside
too. They were categorized as Souhthern Sudanese. While that branding was right
in some ways, millions of people suffered. We saw an entire region (West Nile)
being chased across the border.
Carrying the campaign the way you are doing, could see a new level of
ethinicide in the West of Uganda. It is important that you drop the Luweero
syndrome (they are not Ugandans), let us fight them out. I do not deny, there
are new people coming in un invited my our immigration and citizenship
department, but by officials of the Ugandan government.
This problem cannot be sorted out by firing another first salvo in Rwakitura,
but through dialogue.
even the some of the world known warriors have laid down their weapons in the
name of peace. One such warrior was Morihei who served as an infantryman in the
Russo-Japanese war and later battled pirates and bandits during an adventure in
Mongolia, and then after mastering a number of martial arts, served as an
instructor of Japan's elite military academies.
Throughout his life, however, Morihei was sorely troubled by the condition
and strife that plagued his world: his father's battle with corrupt politicians
and their hired goons,the devastation of war, and the brutality of his
country's military leaders. Thus peace became his mission.
OJ
Desmond Nzaana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kateregga has already listed a good number of Ugandan nomadic communities,
but we have Bahima Tutsi and Basongora in Uganda a good number of whom are
still nomadic
Ekissodde Ekissodde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nzana,if you have any evidence
that these Balaalos are indigenous Ugandans,please share it with us.
Desmond Nzaana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bwana JN
Well, your piece here made intresting reading, but it might contribute to
fanning the flames of Balalo hatred which we should guard against.
I say so because I think we need to acknowledge that there are indiginous
Ugandans that are balalo and are nomads. It is our responsibility as a nation
to find solutions if their way of life has now come into conflict with the
economic activities of other Ugandans.
It is true that the balalo appear to have better protection and follow up
from the state than other communities whose needs of land has brought them into
conflict with others and that must be condemned. A good example are the
problems the Bakiga have faced in Tooro and Bunyoro where GVT has largely
ignored their pilight or sided with those who wanted them evicted. This needs
addressing because it is a harbinger for disaster to give any people
preferrential treatment, you merely set them up for persecution should the
drums change the sticks as they say.
That said we must still try to accommodate these nomadic Ugandans educate &
facilitate them to live a settled life that is more productive. And we should
welcome those other Balalo that may have originated from neighbouring countries
as long as they come in openly and legally and have chosen Uganda as their
home. I am sure we have all to gain if such people are intergrated into
productive lifestyle. They can make a contribution. Gaining people cannot be a
loss not at our stage of development. Europeans are allowing all their
nationals to move and work and live anywhere in the Union. We aspire to a
political federation of EA it cant have any meaning if we are unwilling to
imagine East Africans moving about and settling wherever they choose.
I do not share your fears about mass migration. People will and should move,
people are a crucial factor of production in any economy. Easy movement of
human resource is positive the easier this movement and the larger the sphere
of it the better.
And about the spitting and ash from the enyungu soiling our pavements? I hope
you just added that for humour
Good Day
Charles Kibuka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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That is why I have very many questions for the advocates of the EA, for mass
migration is only one of the the many problems that Uganda is faced with once
this project becomes a reality. Museveni comes from a tribe of people that
happen to be wonderers by default. They meander and zig zag around menacingly
interfering with the peaceful way of life that the indigenous people are used
too. I'm sorry that some people have been killed in this confusion, but I'm not
sorry one bit that Ugandans are defending them selves against these intruders.
We had milk and skins before they come, therefore we do not need too much of
these skins and milk than we can consume. Let them go back God knows where
Museveni fished them from, and we shall trade with them from, again God knows
what their country is called. Look, I do not see any economic importance or
viability that these people come with, they are just "watembeyi ya ngombe" and
they consume all they produce from their animals. Ugandans
get nothing, nix, zero...Warudi kwenye mustuni.
There is also many reasons that make these balalo people a hate and hit target,
and here is some of the few:
1) They come into our country uncoordinated, and in a mysterious manner
2) They are the most arrogant people you will ever know.
3) They stubbornly and deliberately graze their animals on our people's crops
4) They are armed by the state to intimidate and terrorize Ugandans when they
complain about their animals eating up their crops.
5) They are a threat to national security...well may be not. Aren't they being
imported into the country in preparation of any eventualities where the Himas
could be threatened militarily?
6) They are land grabbers and you must sleep with one eye..."your right eye"
open.
7) Many of them can not even read the signs "keep Kampala clean" that Sebaggala
has put up. What is it with this spiting every where all the time and dumping
the ash from enyungu on the street pavements?
Twareba munonga
JN
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:43:53 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Balalo. cows and some little public education might help perhaps?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ahmed,
Perhaps some little education to the general public how the Balalo contribute
to the Ugandan economy in one form or another might help in reducing some of
the tension. Currently, it would appear that the general perception of the
balalo is that of a people who are simply wondering across the land with their
animals without contributing economically. Again, the state of economic affairs
in the country would be hard to use to convince the people that the balalo are
contributing at all. But it is worth trying. They are also contributing to the
nutrition of the country. Some of the milk, meat and muzigo come from these
balalo cows. We use cow skin to make drums and they are also used as chairs or
sleeping mats. So, the balalo are doing their bit. To provide good meat and
milk these cows need to be fed well and that requires green grass and good
grazing land.
Other solution lies in the reduction of the cow population. There are
millions of refuges across Africa and the United Nations High Commissioner for
Refugees bring canned beef from Europe for these folks. Why can't the Uganda
government make a proper arrangement with this agency and sell any cow older
than 10 years and help the balalo use this money to start organizing planned
ranching. Col. Besigye suggested this before, but he was met with a boo.
Banyamulenge importation:
Why is Uganda fond of importating people from neighbouring country for
security purposes? Amin was known to bring in Anyanya from Southern Sudan into
the army. Don't our leaders know proper channels of bringing in immigrants.
There is no problem resettling people from other countries into one's country.
Canada has a policy of bringing in 250,000 immigrants from different parts of
the world every year. But it is very very selective in doing so.
OJ
Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Banyamulenge are the Tutsi of Zaire as we have the Bahima here, the
Bahuma in Tanzania, the Batsietsie in Kenya and probably our own Kabaka Kintu
and his son Kabaka Cwa Nabakka, according to some historians, belonged to that
Bachwezi group from Galla in Ethiopia (Red Abateregga ku Namulondo ya Buganda
by J.S.Kasirye)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ekissodde Ekissodde
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
Mw Kateregga,I just read another posting which claims mbu these Balaaalos are
Banyamulenge from Eastern Zaire?What say you?
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OJ
The other part of the story is that when the Movement came to power Balaalo
were given a right to go to Karamoja and steal as many cows as possible, they
drove cows from as deep as Kenya from the Turukanas, so you got an expansion of
numbers of cows that the nation was not planned for, call it a surge in numbers
if you will. That is why you see that Karimojongs are today in Kampala streets
begging for their cows are now with Balaalo's. So I am very slow to debate
their deaths today when they them selves the Balaalos got the cows by killing
Karimojongs and in large numbers. What the Kateregga's did was to neglect the
deaths of Karimojongs and now they're speaking up for these are Balalo's dying.
You have the cows from Karamoja now heaped on one side of the nation of course
they have to run out of the grazing land.
The circus of cows is simply beginning.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: oryema johnson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
Mr. Ahmed,
Nomadism will be hard to control without a planned and organized ranching. In
the State of Texas, there are many many cows, but all these are in fences fed
with hay that is grown. Even the empty lands on which there are no cows are all
fenced.
These balalo were safe, before Ugandans realized that land was important. In
the 70s these cows used to feed freely and wonder all over our land in Luweero.
The only time we would go after them was when they began eating lumonde and
muwogo.
Now, they are no longer allowed even to come close to the empty lands. Ahmed,
the Luweero war did a major damge to our public relations in Uganda, created
more enemity as well as openning eyes wide, mostly for negative reasons. Since
NRM is staying put, they need to consider this normadism very seriously
OJ
Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But political leaders
will be responsible for the mass kill of pastoralists and animals in Northern
Uganda. I remember well how the Bakanye were chased out of Lango in 1979 after
the fall of Idi Amin, they were almost done the same in Busoga, Bukedi and Teso
during the insurgency in the east in mid eighties. We have not forogotten how
the Baganda were chased out of Kibaale after 1964 Referendum. Those ugly
eposodes we should forgive and forget and we start afresh.
These nomadic balaalo can be barred from entering some agricultural areas and
government itself should be tough on nomadism. But barring one ethenic group
from setlling in any part of the country will set a bad precedent. I don't
encourage nomadism and squating and i have a lot of respect for land ownership
and small holdings (bibanja) but we should be careful with our utterances and
actions. The north has its own problems and should not be tainted more. bUT THE
PASTORALISTS SHOULD BE FORCED TO SELL SOME OF THEIR HERDS AND BUY LAND AND
PRACTISE MIXED FARMING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Mulindwa
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
At a certain point one has to agree that every Mulaalo sitting in Northern
Uganda is not only dead but so is his/her cow. It is only when.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ekissodde Ekissodde
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
What a great example to be emulatede by Ugandans being terrorized in their
villages by these marauders!
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APAC
RESIDENTS of Tarogali parish in the northern district of Apac yesterday
attacked a host of herdsmen there and speared hundreds of their cattle.
Eyewitnesses told Daily Monitor that about 200 cattle were killed and another
200 injured in the Monday morning attack.
"I am seeing several heads of cattle that have been killed by angry
residents. They are about 200. Those injured through spears, hoes and pangas
could be 200," an eyewitness who declined to be named for fear of reprisals
said in an interview.
Police estimates, however, put the number of the dead or injured cattle at
between 100-200 animals.
"We are not certain of the exact number of cattle killed or injured by the
angry residents. I am hearing it's between 100 -200," Police Spokesman Asan
Kasingye said by telephone yesterday.
Mr Kasingye, however, referred this reporter to the northern regional police
commander, Mr Arinatwe Katurebe or his CID counterpart, Mr Vincent Ouma for
details.
When contacted yesterday, Mr Ouma said he was on his way to the scene. "
We
delayed to leave Gulu due to logistical problems," Mr Ouma said.
"The information I am getting is that many cows were killed and several
others injured. I cannot tell the exact number. Our team on the ground is
trying to search for the cattle. I am told some cows have run in disarray," he
said.
By press time, area members of Parliament said about 71 cattle had been
killed.
Heavily armed anti riot and mobile patrol police from Gulu and Lira commanded
by the northern regional CID chief, Vincent Ouma rushed to Apac yesterday
afternoon.
Apac woman MP, Betty Amongi and the area MP, David Ebong (Maruzi County) said
71 cattle had been speared.
"I don't want to blame the residents for their action since the government
deliberately ignored our peoples' pleas for the relocation of the pastoralists.
The people run out of patience this morning and attacked the marauding
pastoralists. They killed 71 cattle," Mr Ebong told Daily Monito r in an
interview.
"The people did this to protect their land and gardens of crops. They could
not allow the pastoralists to continue trespassing on their land and destroying
their crops," he said.
Amongi said, "This is not a new issue. We tried to use all the available
peaceful means for the pastoralist to leave but they ignored. After several
pleas for them to leave, the residents had no option but to go for their
cattle. They killed about 71," Ms Amongi told Daily Monitor.
"The people were provoked by the pastoralists. These headsmen are too
arrogant. They kept on rearing their cattle in peoples gardens," she said.
Adding, "Some of them have guns.
In western Uganda, the Balaalo clashed with the Bagungu in Bullisa. The
indigenous Bagungu want the Balaalo moved from the grazing lands in Bullisa.
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