George Okello Even if Iddi Amin had occupied Tanzania it was still wrong for Tanzania to declare a war on a state. There has to be a time in Africa when we decide to solve violent actions by nonviolent actions. We simply cannot live our entire lives counting dead, this needs to stop. And when we stand up today in 2012 when we have even seen the larger impact that war had on Uganda, when it started even the disaster of HIV in our county, we have no right using it as a point of reference in 2012, for heads should have cooled down and alternative measures taken against Iddi Amin's government let alone actions. Having stated that, I think Edward Pojim and Peter Okurut' s stand are very good to come out today, for there are those of us that have stated that Olara Otunu is leading UPC to weaken it internally. And we kept on being attacked, I challenge you to post a single statement made by Otunu on Uganda issues lately. When by-elections show up, Otunu pulls the party back and it does not stand, I was very surprised that UPC did not have a candidate in Kasese, that failed to make sense, but that is what the party leader wants. After he weakens the party from the inside, he sells it to the Movement. When you look closely at the statement my friend Lucima made it sounds as if Ruhakana Rugunda made it. One of the problems we have got in our country is that the longer the people remain in Uganda the faster they become compromised.
At this statement one questions Lucima's integrity to fight this government. One really does. EM On the 49th Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of george okello Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Northernlightnet] Re: {UAH} UPC Policy on Somalia My friends, I respect Ed POjim very much. He is one of the most insightful writers on this forum. So is my brother Simon Peter Okurut. But why have both of these two eminent gentlemen got it so wrong as far as the Ugandan adventure in Somalia is concerned? Why should Uganda be fighting in Somalia? Why? Uganda can support Somalis politically and diplomatically but should never be involved in a civil war anywhere in Africa. P'Ojim and Simon Peter quote the example of Tanzanian involvement ion the liberation war in Uganda that threw out the Idi Amin fascist dictatorship. The fact that both these two gentleman have to wise up to and very quickly, is that Somalia has never invaded Uganda and annexed part of its territory. Idi Amin invaded Tanzania and annexed its territory in the Kagera salient and declared them part of Uganda. Both these gentlemen will remember how long it took the Tanzanian army to mobilise to push back the occupation by Amin's army. The troops had to be pulled back from the Mozambigue border where they were stationed at the height of the war against aparthied South Africa and ordered to march thousands of miles across the lenght and breadth of Tanzania to Kagera, a process that took almost six months. In the meantime, Idi Amin had occupied Tanzanian territory. In international law, Tanzania had a right to repel aggressors and to resist foreign occupation and annexation of its soveriegn territory. Equally, Tanzania had a right to what is called "hot pursuit" if the foreign invader shows no evidence of ending the occupation and poses or continues to pose an imminent and actionable threat in the immediate future. Tanzania had every right in law to remove Idi Amin and his fascist dictatorship from power. That other Ugandans like Obote organised around KM also became active participants in the war is of no consequence. Primarily, the war was about the recovery of Tanzanian soveriegn territory as well as "hot pursuit" in law to end permanently Idi Amin's menace and threat to a peaceful neighbour. In the process, Ugandans got liberated from the clutches of a blood-drenched regime, whose monstrosities have only been superceded by Museveni and his killing NRA genocidal machine. The situation in Somalia is totally different. We are fighting a proxy war on behalf of the Americans and the CIA. We Ugandans have never had any quarrell with Somalis. Therfore there is no reason why Ugandan soldiers should kill Somalis in their thousands. We should live in peace with them, not bomb them into oblivion. Somalis should be allowed to determine their own future, it is not up to us their neighbours to tell them what to do. In Uganda today, we have an occupying militia army called the NRA which is mainly composed of Rwandan citizens and a few baganda quislings and they conduct and carry out all manner of crimes against Ugandan people. But even if we end the Rwandan occupation of Uganda, I would not want Uganda to carry out acts of revenge in Rwanda. George O. Pacu-Otto On 8/19/12, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]> wrote: > I just fail to understand why our people have failed to get it. > > > > EM > On the 49th > > > > > > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and > Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri > Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" > > > > From: oryema johnson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:11 AM > To: [email protected]; Herrn Edward Mulindwa; > [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; G_NET; str8talk ug > Subject: Re: [Northernlightnet] Re: {UAH} UPC Policy on Somalia > > > > Maya, > > > > Indeed, they will never get it. Is it not surprising that Museveni > would abandon his own war with Kony to the Americans to fight in the > wilderness of the Central African Republic? > > > > The money wasted on those choppers which are now destroyed was more > than enough to fight the nodding disease in Northern Uganda, rebuild > Mulago Hospital and rehabilitate the roads which look like a mass grave. > > > > _____ > > From: MAYIMUNA KENYI <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>; > Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; G_NET > <[email protected]>; str8talk ug <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Northernlightnet] Re: {UAH} UPC Policy on Somalia > > > > > > > > Johnson Oryema: > > They still don't get it, do they? About Uganda's intervention in > Somalia, I mean. > > Maimuna > > > > From: oryema johnson <[email protected]> > To: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; G_NET > <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>; str8talk ug > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:34:05 AM > Subject: [Northernlightnet] Re: {UAH} UPC Policy on Somalia > > > > > > > > > > Ndugu Pojim, > > > > Saying that the removal of Iddi Amin in 1979 was a liberation more > than 30 years later is misleading. In the short term at the most two > weeks, yes getting rid of Amin would be considered some sort of > liberation, but it the long term as we have witnessed in the last 30 > years it was a disaster than liberation. It was jumping from the > frying pan to the fire itself. Consider the destruction in Luweero > which went on for 5 years, then the mayhem in the north of Uganda, the > collapse of social infrastructure ranging from hospitals to schools, > roads etc. The failure to establish a political system that > accommodates every political view as well as political organizations > be it political parties or pressure groups. Then the gunning down of > demonstrators on the streets of Kampala, the looting in the Congo, the > corruption which has invaded every fabric of society and to crown it > all a "One Man Rule For Twenty Five Years" To call this liberation is > very misleading and confusing indeed! It is like removing a baby Cobra > out of your bed room and replaying it with well grown and mature Black > Mamba and Cobra as well as introducing anaconda a South American habitat to a land one time called the "Pearl" > > > > I feel for those who lost their lives in the chopper crash and my > sympathy goes to the families. But the blame should not be Mount > Kirinyaga (Kenya), but at the doorsteps of President of Uganda. The > involvement of Uganda in the Somali war serves no purpose than > Museveni's war adventure and mongering in the East Africa region...If > countries like South Africa with better equipped and trained military cannot be involved, why Uganda! > > From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; G_NET <[email protected]>; oryema > johnson <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:25 PM > Subject: RE: {UAH} UPC Policy on Somalia > > > > Goodnight people, I think I need to go to bed and cut down on the > nonsense I can accommodate for a single day. > > > > EM > On the 49th > > > > > > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and > Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri > Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of edward pojim > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:22 PM > To: Ugandans-at-heart > Subject: {UAH} UPC Policy on Somalia > > > > Edward Mulindwa & Co; > > > > As you may know, I do not speak for UPC or any other political party > in Uganda. However, I still have to respond to your instistence that > UPC must have a policy on Uganda's engagement in Somalia. > > > > Uganda is in Somalia as part of a UN-funded, multi-national coalition > to help stablize that country. Our involvement was not because Uganda > has any selfish reason of being there, like conquest, looting, etc. > Believe it or not, the lawlessness that had taken over Somalia had > spread to all over East Africa, and had had the potential to permeate > down to every level of our society. This had to be stopped. > > > > Now, pause fo the benefit of self education and answer this question: > where would Uganda be if Tanzania and Nyerere had not intervened on > our behalf and kicked out dictator Idi Amin? Irrespective of the > political prizm through which you recall our political history, > Nyerere's determination and Tanzania's sacrifice in human lives and material costs, saved us. > > > > Similarly, Museveni's undertaking in Somalia has saved millions of > Somalians. > > > > As a ruling party, UPC co-founded the OAU (the precursor to the > current AU) and was a well-respected member of the UN, the Non-Aligned > Movement and other regional organizations. The responsibility that > comes with those prominent roles in world affairs calls us to act when called upon. > > > > It would be foolish for UPC and any opposition party for that matter > to hold a permanent statement of belief (policy) on such fleeting > engagements as the war in Somalia or anywhere else. > > > > Someone here mentioned the case of America's political parties and > their "policies" on the wars in Iraq and Afghansistan. 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