Jal Matek
Kindly respond to this African with a degree, they are kind of tough for me to
reason to. Respond and I will forward it to the forum this man is listed. Geez
man is being created an African means you have to be this lost a soul? One crap
died in UK and everything stopped but on all that died in Libya he is
justifying it. By the way he lamented the death of the British soldier before
Pat Anderson lamented.
God remember Africa.
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
James Chikonamombe
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 1:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Mwananchi] Re: David Cameron pushes to arm Syrian rebels -
because of Libya
Jupiter,Pat:
I hate to state the obvious, but by the calculus of great-power interests,
Libya was a smashing success. The same great-power-calculus is now at work in
Syria, and if given half a chance will proceed onto Iran. Militias have taken
over Libya, and women are now locked indoors for their safety, but such minor
details are really irrelevant if you approach the issue through the lens of
Western elites and their alined business-interests.
After the bombing of Benghazi and the overthrow of Ghaddafi, the share-price
of B.A.E (the UK's main military contractor) hit the roof. Lest we forget:
Britain is the world's 4th ; largest arms-exporter and the defence industry
offers high-paying, middle-class jobs. In France, the defence industry was
moribund until Rance's own Rafaele jet was used in the bombing of Libya. Soon
afterwards, France scooped up military orders from Brazil and India for those
Rafaele jets.
The wars in Libya and Syria have absolutely nothing to do with "freedom" and
"democracy" and everything to do with great-power interests and the opening up
of those once-closed economies to Western capital and know-how. Pity the
suffering children in Syria and the women of Libya, now forced back into the
stone ages, but the Libyans and Syrians are powerless to determine their own
fates.
James Chikonamombe
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From: Patricia <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 1:34 AM
Subject: [Mwananchi] Re: David Cameron pushes to arm Syrian rebels - because of
Libya
Jupiter,
I have stood next to my MP, a Conservative, and told him it was wrong to bomb
Benghazi. I have been reading the news on Libya and it is far from settled. I
do not believe in interferring in other people's wars. I have seen this
proposal to arm Syrian rebels, and also heard that yesterday, in the House of
Commons, many Conservative MPs are against it. I shall today write to my MP
today and tell him that I do not agree with arming the rebels.
Pat.
--- In [email protected] <mailto:Mwananchi%40yahoogroups.com> , Jupiter
Punungwe <punungwe@...> wrote:
>
> Libya. The country is virtually leaderless. It is lawless. Militias are
> ruling the roost. They maybe more civilised than the hand chopping, flesh
> eating militias of Liberia, the heart eating militias of Syria or the
> religiously fanatic militias of Somalia but they are militias nonetheless.
>
> They can evolve into anything, like ship hijackers for example. Libya's
> future is still uncertain and precarious.
>
> The sad thing is that David Cameron considers that a success. Well in the
> absence of an observable alternative, you can define anything you do as a
> success.
>
> I don't know if Cameron has ever stood in front of the Stevens family and
> claimed that Libya was a success. I would like to dare him do it now.
>
> But it is sad that Cameron wants to arm Syrian rebels, because he thinks
> Libya was 'a success'.
>
> Jupiter
>
> =====================================
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jun/06/blair-parallels-cameron-arms-syria-rebels
>
> Ministers fear Blair 'parallels' as David Cameron pushes to arm Syrian
> rebels
>
> Ten years after Iraq, 81 Tory MPs sign letter to No 10 demanding
> substantive commons vote before arms are sent to rebels
>
> Nicholas Watt <http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/nicholaswatt>, chief
> political correspondent
>
> - The Guardian <http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian>, Thursday 6 June
> 2013 20.35 BST
>
> [image: Ministers fear Blair `parallels' as David Cameron pushes to arm
> Syrian rebels]
> David Cameron experienced what senior figures described as a 'wake up call'
> when a succession of MPs questioned his Syria stance. Photograph: Neil
> Hall/Reuters
>
> Cabinet ministers fear David
> Cameron<http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/davidcameron> is
> in danger of aping Tony Blair <http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/tonyblair>
> as
> the prime minister pushes for the arming of Syrian rebels and even holds
> out the prospect of military intervention in one of the most sensitive
> areas in the world.
>
> As 81 Tory MPs signed a letter to No 10 demanding a substantive Commons
> vote before arms are sent to the rebels, senior figures warned of parallels
> between Cameron and Blair as the 10th anniversary of the Iraq war is marked.
>
> One figure familiar with the thinking at senior levels of the cabinet said:
> "There are parallels with Tony Blair. He got a high out of his military
> success in Kosovo and Sierra Leone where he felt there was a moral
> imperative to act. There is an element of that with David Cameron who feels
> there is a moral imperative to act after he visited Syrian refugees in
> Jordan. The prime minister is further ahead than most people on this."
>
> Senior cabinet figures have become so alarmed that Sir George Young, the
> chief whip, has warned Cameron that he would probably lose a Commons vote
> on arming the rebels. The leader of the house, Andrew
> Lansley<http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/andrewlansley>,
> confirmed to MPs on Thursday that a vote would be held if the government
> decided to arm the rebels.
>
> The prime minister is understood to have experienced what senior figures
> described as a "wake-up call" when a succession of senior MPs lined up to
> question his stance on Syria <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/syria> as he
> delivered a statement on Monday on the Woolwich attack and the recent EU
> summit. One Tory said: "A prime minister can be given all the intelligence
> about the thinking of MPs but until they come face to face with it they may
> not quite grasp the strength of feeling. Cameron can be in no doubt now."
>
> The concerns about the prime minister's apparent interest in reprising his
> success in Libya, voiced privately by William Hague and Nick Clegg, do not
> amount to criticism. Ministers believe he has the best of motives. They
> acknowledge that Syria and its neighbours are so unstable that it is
> impossible to make predictions and that Britain may have to arm the rebels
> and the British military may intervene.
>
> One Whitehall source said: "This is not a yellow [Lib Dem] on blue [Tory]
> issue. There is a spectrum of opinion. Nobody knows how this is going to
> end up. People are wrestling with very difficult issues – this is not a
> science."
>
> Nick Clegg made a point of praising Hague's handling of the crisis. He told
> his weekly LBC show: "What we have done – and I think William Hague has
> been very skilful and sensible in doing this – is make sure that if we were
> to take that decision [to arm the rebels] we are able to do so. But I think
> everybody accepts, and everybody accepts this in the government we've been
> talking about this for months, there is never any military solution to
> something like this you have to at the end of the day end for some kind of
> political reconciliation between the moderate forces in the Alawite
> community, one presently led by the blood Assad, and the moderate forces in
> the opposition."
>
> But there is a feeling that Cameron may have stumbled when he told
> colleagues last month that he had had a positive meeting in Sochi with the
> Russian president, Vladimir Putin. Cameron thought Putin was moderating his
> hardline support for Bashar al-Assad after their meeting overran and Putin
> moved his papers to one side and asked to hear the prime minister's
> thoughts on
> Syria<http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/13/david-cameron-arrives-us-syria>.
> Within two weeks, after the EU announced the lifting of the arms embargo,
> Moscow announced that it would send new arms to Syria.
>
> One Tory said: "It is important not to forget Putin's track record and his
> foreign minister Sergei Lavrov is a harde-headed individual. The Russian
> economy is in a dreadful state and it bullies its neighbours."
>
> The Tory whips are telling Cameron that he is likely to face defeat in any
> substantive Commons vote because hawks, such as the former shadow defence
> minister Dr Julian Lewis, are lining up with veteran opponents of military
> action, such as George Galloway, to warn of the dangers of intervention.
>
> Lewis said: "I am not in the slightest bit surprised about the cabinet
> [debate]. You can be as hawkish as you like on defence – and I think
> generally speaking I fall into that category – and it is precisely because
> I am hard-headed and generally fairly tough on defence that I can see that
> the possible bringing together of a stock of deadly nerve gases, which at
> the moment are little threat to us because they are under the control of
> the atrocious Assad regime, with the equally atrocious al-Qaida affiliates
> would be absolutely lethal. Intervention would be absolutely against our
> strategic and security interests."
>
> Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, indicated that a debate
> was underway. He told the BBC: "My sense at some point is we need
> ultimately to decide where we stand on this, one way or the other, we have
> to make sure we're not in a halfway house. We either want to support key
> rebels – of course, there are risks in that – or we want to say: 'Look, we
> can't' and leave them in the clear picture they're not going to get that
> support."
>
> The cabinet divisions were highlighted on Thursday by the Daily
> Mail<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336720/Cabinet-split-plans-arm-Syrian-rebels-Cameron-pressure-claims-peace-talks-doomed-fail.html>
> andthe
> Independent<http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-faces-serious-cabinet-split-over-over-arming-syrian-rebels-8646433.html>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> =========================================
> *One minister one car is as important as one man one vote.*
>
> "...those who do not know how to pursue pleasure rationally encounter
> consequences that are extremely painful." Cicero, 45 BC
>
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