George Okello The system of UK and most developed countries is a non-bias system, ICC is anti-Africa, so the two simply cannot be matched. As an African lawyer what you need to do is to start to ramp up the calls so that we create a court of such in Africa than succumbing to the white court nonsense.
EM On the 49th Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Okello Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 11:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UAH] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. Thanks Mr Magandazi, The principle of criminal law to quote is correct, but this does not apply in politics where proper democracy is practised. In the UK, your political career is practically finished if you are charged with a serious crime, even if you are later to be acquitted.This applies in many other developed commonwealth jusidictions as well. I will give you an eg of Malaysia. Anwar Ibrahim was deputy Prime Minister to the long serving Prime Minister Mathathir Mohammed. Anwar wanted to succeed Mathathir who had ruled since indepdependence, for over 25 years, but he did not to quit. So one day, a newspaper carried a story by a man who claimed Anwar had sodomised him. Anwar denied, but when he was charged by police, he immediately resigned. He was later to be arrested and tried in court but was found not quilty of the crime of sodomy. As for the ICC, you have to be recommended by your country for all the jobs that are avalible there. Maybe that its weakness because it does not necessarily attact the best lawyers. As for Museveni appearing before the ICC, that would have to be recommended by the UN Security Council as was done in the case of Omar Bashir. This usually applies in cases where a country is unable or unwilling to prosecute the perpetrator The other circumstance in which a person might appear before the ICC is if he is handed over by his country or personally hands himself over like Kataganda did. So in the case of Museveni, we wouild have to waitwhen he is nolonger in power, that is when we will hand him over to the UN. But please note, the UN normally acts only on the recommendation of the UN Security Council. It does not just begin investigations on its own volition. But the again, I wonder why Ugandans complain about the UN. Before the ICC, there was the International Court for Rwanda and the International Court for former Yugolavia. There is now an International Court for Sierra Leone, which is trying Charles Taylor. If you look at the whole world, is is not true that it is in Africa that the worst human rights abuses have taken place? You name one country outside Africa where 1 million people have died in the course of only 8 months or where 5 million people have been murdered as has happened in DR Congo or 1 million as has happened in Darfur. So is it any wonder that the ICC should start and concentrate on Africa? George Okello On 7/5/13, moses sebunya <[email protected]> wrote: > So many things out of this posting Mandela, Bunyoro, Obama, Uhuru and > many more. Obama not smart, I do not know if can go that far, but he > is not a leader, that has manifested itself, eight wasted years, some > of us disappointed! Uhuru is a Kikuyu and Obama a LUO you figure that > out especially with bad advise. ICC what a joke, they are hunting > Africans and poor weak countries. Mandela should be given a break > because after twenty seven years in prison he had no idea of what to > do with a nation that had changed on him, he did the best to step > aside. Those wining about Bunyoro, in a war one wins and one losses, > you lost in a fight just move on, now you have oil do not let M7 steal > all your wealth if you keep wining over Buganda kicking your rear > end, you have more to lose now than before show me that you are not > wimps and stand up to M7 and make Bunyoro the beauty of the country. > > > ________________________________ > From: joseph magandazi <[email protected]> > To: Joseph Magandazi <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 5:06 PM > Subject: RE: [UAH] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. > > > > > George, > The English Law of which you are an expert state that someone is > deemed innocent until otherwise proven. This same law appies to President Kenyatta. > What annoys me most is to see M7 walking free when he had a hand in > the killings of Rwanda, Congo, Kenya, and above all Uganda. Who is > this international court of Justice representing? I hear Justice > SSebutinde is on the bench recommended by M7 think about this and > correct me if I'm wrong. I demand from her If its true to know why M7 > is not before this same court before President Kenyatta. Please don't > miss understand my support for our mothers to be at the fore front of Justice. > > > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [UAH] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:47:31 -0400 > > > Joseph Magandazi > > > There was no need for Obama to go to Kenya and the reason is very > simple, and which he stated, that the leaders of Kenya still have some > international issues to resolve. The trials of Ruto and Uhuru Kenyatta > are to start this month at the ICC at the Hague, unless they have once again been postponed. > So did you seriously expect Obama to be hosted by a man charged with > very serious crimes against humanity, including murder, torture, rape, > aggravated arson, land grabbing, and many more?And a Vice President > who that very week was fighting a case in court, which he lost and was > ordered to pay damages of shs 50 million? > > -George Okello > > It is probably only you that did not know why Obama refused to go to Kenya. > > And we are moving on sir with your permission of course. > > EM > On the 49th > > > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and > Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri > Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" > > From:[email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of joseph > magandazi > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 4:35 PM > To: Joseph Magandazi > Subject: RE: [UAH] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. > > Mulindwa, > President Obama did not t go to Kenya, he did not specify reasons for > not going there, its therefore propagandist , immaginal to concoct > reasons on his behalf. If i were you i would pause this question > directly to him and receive response. Stop imagining and spitting words into peoples mouth. >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> Subject: [UAH] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. >> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:06:49 -0400 >> >> George Okello >> >> President Obama had no moral right to refuse to go to Kenya for the >> ICC wants Uhuru Kenyatta, and for a very simple reason, Obama is a >> president that has killed so many kids in Pakistan by the use of >> drones, almost every international organization, including amnesty >> international has listed many times when drones have decapitated very >> innocent children in classrooms and Obama has done nothing to protect >> them but to ramp up the drone program. >> If >> ICC is serious it needs to start with arresting Obama before it takes >> on Uhuru. But secondly, how can president Obama refuse to talk to >> Uhuru when he talks to Hamid Karzai a man that has killed so many >> people in Afghanistan? >> From Museveni to Kagame he has sat with why is the Uhuru case more >> personal to Obama? >> >> Egypt has failed not for it has bad leaders but because it has failed >> to build democratic infrastructures within its self, and that problem >> is not only in Egypt but in entire Africa. George ICC is a very wrong >> institution and I was surprised that you as a lawyer failed to stand >> up and oppose it, for it is a racist court. If I go to Uganda and I >> murder 5 villages, it is the job of Ugandans to pack me up on an air >> craft and ship me back to Canada for I am a Canadian and the ICC does >> no have a jurisdiction over Canada. >> The >> British soldiers that raped The Masai women would not be sent to the >> ICC but to UK and for a good reason ICC has no jurisdiction over UK >> citizens. >> American soldiers that urinated on Taliban fighters would not be sent >> to Hague for the ICC has no jurisdiction over America citizens. >> George so what kind of fucked up international court is that? May be >> we need to call it a court to charge blacks from Africa for even if >> you are an African but you have a foreign passport they cannot touch >> you. What is strange is that the Africans did not institute it and >> they neither fund it. And you are today standing up with Obama to use >> such a very pathetic institution against Uhuru Kenyatta for both of >> you are Luos and Uhuru Kenyatta is a Kikuyu !!!!!! >> >> This kind of double standard on Africa and Africans is one of the >> reason I decided to go after Nelson Mandela, you see this old fart >> came to power and built a system to solely protect the whites against >> Africans. Justice must always be seen to be served. What was wrong >> with Mandela creating a court system in South Africa and we put these >> killers on stand and they get treated as anyone else? What Mandela >> instead did was to take blacks into small hotel rooms and demand that >> they forgive their killers. That justice was never seen to be served >> and at one point trust me blacks in South Africa are going to go >> after the whites and you and I will start to understand the anger in >> the South Africans. It always becomes very complicated when Africans >> are asked to look the other way as long as they are the victims. >> The Jews must be paid for Hitler threw them to camps but when >> Africans want to be paid for slavery now we start to look the other >> side. Natives are being paid by all governments that took their land, >> but there is no single country ever pays for the land stolen from >> Africa. Look at Zimbabwe just how much money did the Dutch make out >> of that land? Had Zimbabweans been Jews they would have been paid. >> >> George as a lawyer one would have expected you to stand up and oppose >> this racism built in The Hague but one would also expect you to start >> a campaign that we build our own court in Africa. That is what people >> that want a change in Africa do, they get the money and pay to build >> such an institution and finance it. What is funny is that the two >> leaders that would pick up such kind of money are Iddi Amin and >> Muamar Quadaffi and you oppose both men. >> >> Then one starts to wonder the difference between you and Nelson >> Mandela on life support. >> >> EM >> On the 49th >> >> >> >> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni >> and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" >> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri >> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George >> Okello >> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:17 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [UAH] RE: [Ugnet] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF >> BIRTH. >> >> Mulindwa, here you go again. >> >> There was no need for Obama to go to Kenya and the reason is very >> simple, and which he stated, that the leaders of Kenya still have >> some international issues to resolve. The trials of Ruto and Uhuru >> Kenyatta are to start this month at the ICC at the Hague, unless they >> have once again been postponed. >> So did you seriously expect Obama to be hosted by a man charged with >> very serious crimes against humanity, including murder, torture, >> rape, aggravated arson, land grabbing, and many more? >> And a Vice President who that very week was fighting a case in court, >> which he lost and was ordered to pay damages of shs 50 million? >> >> At the Somali conference a few months ago held in London and attended >> by many heads of state, At first David Cameron did not Uhuru Kenyatta >> invited, he asked him to send a minister instead, but Uhuru Kenyatta >> objected and threatened to pull out Kenyan troops fighting in >> Somalia. >> So he was invited. But Mr Cameron made sure he never had any photo >> opportunity with him. In fact I don't think any foreign head of state >> had a public picture with him. >> >> Mr Mulindwa, I once again beg you to think before writing nonsense or >> just don't write any more about foreign diplomacy because you know >> nothing about it, if you are suggesting that Obama should have >> visited Kenya and been hosted by Kenyatta. >> >> George Okello >> >> On 7/3/13, Jessica Nakawombe <[email protected]> wrote: >> > For those who don't know and those confused, Obama's country of >> > origin is Kenya, but his country of birth is USA. >> > >> > >> > Rev. Jessica >> > >> > >> > >> > Have I >> > not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. >> > Do not be >> > afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with >> > you wherever you go. (Joshua 1:9) >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > [email protected]; [email protected] >> > Subject: RE: [UAH] RE: [Ugnet] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY >> > OF >> BIRTH. >> > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:37:44 -0400 >> > >> > >> > If only half the idiots that elected him had that information at a >> > time !!!!! EM On the 49th Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With >> > Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" >> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na >> > Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emmanuel >> > Obonyo >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:44 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: RE: [UAH] RE: [Ugnet] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY >> > OF >> BIRTH. >> > >> > President Barack Obama's country of birth is not Kenya, it is the >> > United States of America.From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > [email protected]; [email protected] >> > Subject: [UAH] RE: [Ugnet] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. >> > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 04:41:24 -0400Odiya So he was fine to visit >> > Egypt when Hosin Mubarak was killing his people but not fine to >> > visit Kenya for Uhuru is killing Kenyans. Are you sure you are >> > alright !!!!!!!!! Trust me Obama is not that smart and I make that >> > statement based solely on his inconsistence in every meaning of the >> > term. EM On the 49th Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri >> > Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" >> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na >> > Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" >> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> > On Behalf Of Hello! >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:55 AM >> > To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda >> > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. >> > Even you Mulindwa would have avoided Buganda if your King was >> > accused of >> butchering >> > the Banyoro. Odiya The Liberal Manifesto UgandaPlays OdiyaTalks >> Acoli >> > Sensation Classic Congolese Music From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa >> > <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > [email protected]; [email protected]; >> > [email protected]; G_NET <[email protected]>; >> > [email protected]; 'Oryema Johnson' <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:40 PM >> > Subject: [Ugnet] OBAMA DIRECTLY NEGLECT HIS COUNTRY OF BIRTH. Loud >> > silence at Kenya High Commission in Dar es SalaamWritten by: >> > La'Kitgum on 2nd July 2013By Oscar Obonyo, Standard Digital, July 01, 2013U.S. >> > President Barack Obama shakes the hands of a line of women >> > stationed to welcome his arrival at State House in Dar es Salaam, >> > Tanzania Monday, July 1, 2013. Teeming crowds and blaring horns >> > welcomed President Barack Obama to Tanzanias largest city, where the U.S. >> > presidents likeness is everywhere as he arrived on the last leg of >> > his >> three-country tour of the African continent. >> > (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: There was lull at >> > Kenya High Commission and among Kenyans living in Dar es Salaam as >> > US President Barack Obama landed in Tanzania to start a two-day >> > tour.Ambassador Mutinda Mutiso confirmed to The Standard that the >> > Kenyan Government was not represented or involved at any level in >> > the Obama tour.I have neither received any official invitation >> > from President Jakaya Kikwete or Foreign Affairs ministry nor been >> > asked by the US Mission here to partake in events of this visit, >> > he said.There were claims that First Lady Margaret Kenyatta, who >> > was expected to join her American counterpart Michelle Obama and >> > other First ladies across Africa at a forum this morning, will give >> > the event a miss.In bypassing Kenya during his current tour of >> > Africa, President Obama has explained that the moment was not just >> > right as the Kenyan leadership had international issues to deal >> > with first.This is in reference to the cases at International >> > Criminal Court involving President Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy >> > William Ruto.DinnerIt would, therefore, be curious if Mrs Kenyatta >> > opts to honour the invitation of the Obamas, especially after >> > snubbing her husband.I can confirm there is no official Government >> > delegation here to meet or participate in the Obama tour. State >> > House has also not communicated to the contrary, meaning our First >> > Lady may also not be coming, said Mutiso.The ambassador, however, >> > explained that the Kenyan mission in Tanzania was not irked by the >> > decision to sideline the Government in the Obama visit as this is >> > purely a Tanzanian affair.Besides the First Lady, Nairobi >> > businessman Chris Kirubi publicly turned down an invitation by an >> > elite club of Africas businessmen and women to attend a dinner >> > hosted >> by President Obama Monday.A team of nearly 130 top American >> entrepreneurs are accompanying Obama, and Kirubi and other invited >> guests were to meet with >> > the team for business opportunities. Thé Mulindwas >> Communication >> > Group >> > "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" >> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na >> > Dk. 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