a leopard changing its spots! hmmmm On 7/18/13, Robukui . <[email protected]> wrote: > Yoga welcomes Tinye, > > Tinye has killed Baganda, Itesot, Acholi, Langi, > Karamojong,Rwandese,Congolese on a massive scale. > > And you wonder why UPC is dead in Uganda. > > They only gave us Amin and M7, but any sniff at power, Adhola will sign on. > > Ochieno, a member of this forum, was the last chance, he get's IT. > > Viele GruBe > Robukui > On Jul 17, 2013 7:23 AM, "derek Nyero aka. ladujah" > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> We shall build such important industries when the time is right, however >> for now, lets concentrate on protecting our lands from the Rwakitura >> gangs >> herein known as the ''investors'', yet they are nothing but land >> grabbers. >> >> Olara Otunnu is doing a splendid job for the oppressed people of Uganda. >> Apparently the government is bankrupt because dubious investors are >> running >> scared of what the UPC party president might do next, therefore, >> donations >> have been slashed by half. >> Finally, we would rather have the ''grass'' than some worthless >> ''industry'' >> Derek. >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: RE: {UAH} FW: [Upcnet] Morris Komakech and General Tinyefunza >> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:10:13 -0400 >> >> Ggwe Olara Otunnu >> >> >> >> We need an industry built on the grass right behind your ass, that grass >> has been like that for ion years when an industry on it would have given >> a >> job to a Uganda kid that has ended up being a Bodaboda operator, so cut >> the crap sir. http://youtu.be/vpgAP3pOTbA >> >> >> >> No sorry I should have called it noise my apology. >> >> >> >> EM >> On the 49th >> >> >> >> >> >> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group >> "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" >> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi >> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika >> machafuko" >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *derek Nyero aka. >> ladujah >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:54 AM >> *To:* Ugandaatheart Ug >> *Subject:* RE: {UAH} FW: [Upcnet] Morris Komakech and General Tinyefunza >> >> >> >> http://youtu.be/vpgAP3pOTbA >> >> >> >> Olara Otunnu at Capitol Hill >> >> >> >> Derek >> >> > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:26:08 +0300 >> > Subject: Re: {UAH} FW: [Upcnet] Morris Komakech and General Tinyefunza >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > >> > You aredamn right Yoga Adhola. >> > >> > On 7/17/13, Yoga Adhola <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > From: [email protected] >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:43:41 -0400 >> > > Subject: Re: [Upcnet] Morris Komakech and General Tinyefunza >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Komakech >> > > >> > > My view is that anybody who reaches a point of rejecting the regime >> > > and >> > > wishes to fight it should be welcome. I don't see any opportunism in >> this. >> > > General Tinyefunza , in my view, has completely cut off his links >> > > with >> the >> > > regime. It is very clear that the regime treats him as an enemy. >> > > >> > > You wrote: >> > > >> > > "1. It is false argument that anyone can work against the NRM >> > > regime using the very elements within the regime. Clearly, we have >> > > examples of Besigye, Mugisha Muntu, Col Mande and now Tinyefuza. How >> > > much have you or Ugandans gained from them, other than Besigye's >> > > almost >> > > single handed attempts at exposing and discrediting your NRM-O?" >> > > >> > > Whatver one may say about Dr Besigye, ther is no dubt he has waged >> > > his >> > > truggles gaianstthe regime. this is there for everybody tosee. And >> please it >> > > is totally unfair of you to say that Besigye is an element of the >> regime. he >> > > cannot be an element of the regime and he is treated they way he >> hasbeen >> > > treated. Also whatver one may disgaree with Col mande, he is >> > > certainly >> not >> > > part of the NRM regime. You pose the question: "How >> > > much have you or Ugandans gained from them..." Inraisng this >> > > question, >> what >> > > answer do you expect? In any case the same question can be raisd >> > > about >> > > anybody including you, Mr Morris Komakaeck. how much have we gained >> from >> > > you? >> > > >> > > You wrote: >> > > >> > > "4. >> > > It is amazing how you call our moves silly, considering your many >> > > claims that you have been at Capitol Hill and you understand how >> > > these >> > > systems work." >> > > >> > > >> > > I am not a fool to waste my time going to capital Hill. I have >> explained >> > > this over and over. Museveni is the best tool the US has had and >> probably >> > > will ever have have. he serves their geo-political strategy. It is >> only a >> > > fool who thinks the US will abandon such a tool for things like human >> rights >> > > abuses. Please re-read my article on Olara Otuunu in the Independent. >> Wit >> > > this kind of clarity of mind, why would I waste my time going to >> capital >> > > Hill? Don't I have something to do? that kind ofgoingto capital Hill >> is left >> > > for people like Olara Otuunu. >> > > >> > > >> > > You wrote: >> > > >> > > "5. >> > > Finally, UPC and all the so-called opposition parties have become >> > > increasingly opportunistic and are incapable of holding the regime >> > > and >> > > its minders accountable on any human rights or constitutional >> > > violations." >> > > >> > > >> > > Are we to understand you have given up on Olaraa Otuunu? Wow!!!! >> > > >> > > >> > > You also wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > " This explains why most human rights reports appear mostly >> > > credible when reported by external agencies, such as HRW or Amnesty >> > > International." >> > > >> > > You still have to learn who agencies these orgainisations are. Your >> naivety >> > > is really deep. Wow!!! >> > > >> > > >> > > You further wrote: >> > > >> > > "It is not strange that Canada is listening!" >> > > >> > > I remember Olara Otuunu and some of his running dogs like you and >> > > Ocaya >> > > p'Ocure were one time telling us about Hillary Clinton setting up >> > > commissions to monitor the elections in Uganda. What happened? >> > > >> > > >> > > Yoga Adhola.Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:17:13 -0700 >> > > From: [email protected] >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Subject: Re: [Upcnet] Morris Komakech and General Tinyefunza >> > > >> > > Yoga Adhola in particular and other Comrades, >> > > Your perceptions of your reality are a continuous evolution of what >> unfolds >> > > before your subjective self, and so are ours. On the matter of >> Tinyefuza, it >> > > is a subject that was widely discussed and indeed, it was decided >> > > that; >> > > 1. It is false argument that anyone can work against the NRM regime >> using >> > > the very elements within the regime. Clearly, we have examples of >> Besigye, >> > > Mugisha Muntu, Col Mande and now Tinyefuza. How much have you or >> Ugandans >> > > gained from them, other than Besigye's almost single handed attempts >> > > at >> > > exposing and discrediting your NRM-O? >> > > 2. That it is opportunistic for some of us to forget >> > > so easily about the cruelty and the harshness with which the >> Tinyefuzas, >> > > Kagames and others inflicted on Northern Uganda. Tinyefuza was a >> > > major >> > > player and therefore he must be held accountable and made example of. >> From >> > > our experiences and realities, these are not silly decisions. They >> form our >> > > realities. >> > > 3. It is very important to send a message to the likes of Kayihura, >> Omala, >> > > Kaweesi and those depriving Ugandans of their constitutional rights >> that >> > > there is always a time to be held accountable. >> > > 4. It is amazing how you call our moves silly, considering your many >> claims >> > > that you have been at Capitol Hill and you understand how these >> > > systems >> > > work. We also understand how Ottawa works and just to correct you, we >> did >> > > petition Ottawa on Tinyefuza's war crimes records that must be >> investigated. >> > > A copy of our petition was published in the Redpepper. There are >> particular >> > > clauses in the immigration act which places scrutiny over anyone >> suspected >> > > of crimes against humanity, including genocide for exclusion, and >> > > where >> > > possible, prosecution. It is those that we begged to get activated. >> People >> > > should not be let to run free unaccounted for their evil doings. >> > > 5. Finally, UPC and all the so-called opposition parties have become >> > > increasingly opportunistic and are incapable of holding the regime >> > > and >> its >> > > minders accountable on any human rights or constitutional violations. >> This >> > > explains why most human rights reports appear mostly credible when >> reported >> > > by external agencies, such as HRW or Amnesty International. Most of >> UPC's >> > > so-called leaders are already in the pockets of the NRM and we know >> that >> > > they are being used to cripple or undermine the opposition. >> > > Given the above and the prevailing lack of proper structures or >> mechanisms >> > > in place to act [build consensus], it was prudent that some of us >> > > took >> > > leadership. I must say that our efforts have been commended by many >> who know >> > > that current self proclaimed ideologues and leaders in UPC are a >> talking >> > > shop of angry walking libraries and nothing other!! >> > > It is not strange that Canada is listening! >> > > Komrade P! >> > > Remember...U.P.C. as a Party of Unity, Peace & >> re-Conciliation“Sometimes >> > > people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are >> > > presented >> with >> > > evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence >> > > cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely >> > > uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so >> important >> > > to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even >> > > deny >> > > anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.” Frantz Fanon, >> > > Black >> > > Skin, White Masks >> > > >> > > From: Simon Ross Euku <[email protected]> >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:19 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [Upcnet] Morris Komakech and General Tinyefunza >> > > >> > > Yoga Adhola is right. Ugandans must be patient and tolerant. The >> journey is >> > > still long and rough. >> > > >> > > Simon Ross Euku >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Yoga Adhola <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I am told Red Pepper has reported that Sejusa is >> > > supposedly applying for asylum in Canada and Morris Komakech has >> managed to >> > > raise >> > > an army of protestors numbering 9. They are intending >> > > to report him to police with a view to him being charged with crimes >> > > against humanity. >> > > >> > > >> > > My view is that at this material time we need everybody who is >> > > against >> the >> > > regime. I believe that those who have been in high offices like >> Tinyefunnza >> > > can be of great value in our efforts to dislodge this regime. We do >> not need >> > > to alienate them. It would be in our bests interest to work with them >> to >> > > dislodge the regime. In stead of thesesilly demonstration, those in >> Canada >> > > should look for ways and means of working with Tinyefunza against the >> > > regime. >> > > >> > > >> > > I hope I am not going to be accused of being diversionary again. >> > > >> > > Yoga Adhola. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > >> > > Upcnet mailing list >> > > >> > > [email protected] >> > > >> > > http://upcparty.net/mailman/listinfo/upcnet_upcparty.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Upcnet mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://upcparty.net/mailman/listinfo/upcnet_upcparty.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Upcnet mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://upcparty.net/mailman/listinfo/upcnet_upcparty.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Upcnet mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://upcparty.net/mailman/listinfo/upcnet_upcparty.net >> ------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5998 - Release Date: 07/17/13 >> > _______________________________________________ Ugandanet mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet
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