Ggwe Akim Odong !!!!!!!!!
This discussion is not about patriotism let alone going after political
parties it is about making a wrong right. And I have read several writings
nipping about it, and to Abbey Ssemuwemba this discussion is not about
building schools of Fish for export this thread is about changing a Uganda
culture that fails to separate home consumption to commercial use. Uganda
government from get go it does not matter what Baboon is in office we have
no export policy, it moves by what the population moves to. That is what I
am out to kill. I need a public policy clearly written out to support the
government agenda on export and whatever is exported is grown on a
commercially built basis. And that product does not have to be used or eaten
by the local population it has to be built solely for exportation and the
population consumption as a by the way. So if you are in a forum to read
from economics lecturers try the PHD holders that have been running our
country from the time I was born, do you need the names? Try George Okello
try Edward Pojim or let alone Ocen Nekyon. This is a man that did not go to
school but is simply pushing his agenda based on firkin common sense.
But now that you have decided to turn my thread into preaching the UPC
successes let me go after UPC directly for you have opened the God damn
door. I need the names of the UPC government farms that it introduced in
most parts of the country, start with Luwero for that is where I was born
and that is what I know the most. If you say it started government firms in
most parts of the country I honestly need one in Luwero for Luwero mattered
to UPC, a very reason it became the most electrified region in the entire
country, we are that important to UPC. There is none. So your statement that
UPC started government farms in most parts of the country is Wolokoso sir.
Now that we have fixed that, UPC had an agricultural system but it was built
to meet human consumption, it was not built to meet exportation, the
exportation UPC built was following exactly what I am against today,
targeting what people grow. Did you know that NRA/NRM started to find
markets for Vanilla? Where was it going to find it? From people in Mukono
that privately grew it, the moment people saw no money out of it they
stopped to grow it and the government agenda dies, that is what I am
against. I need a government to produce or to lead private people to
produce Vanilla on commercial basis whether the people use it locally or
they dont. Then we find a market out of Uganda when we are sure of the
production locally. I am looking for a policy written on Uganda books that
in order for a government to make a product exported out of Uganda it must
be commercially produced but it must be exported as a final product, not as
a raw material but a finalized product. That is the policy I need the PHD
holders in this forum to write on papers then we implement it. A policy not
to export Tomatoes but Ketchup. And those cans and bottles must be
manufactured in Uganda unlike Beer bottles we still import out of Germany or
Tanzania when glass is the easiest technology on earth to manufacture from
sand.
Akim Odong One of the major exports UPC had at a time was coffee and Cotton,
they shipped out tons and tons of that stuff on a daily basis. Every
container and trailer that took goods to Uganda Rwanda CAR DRC Burundi
sometimes South Sudan had to pass through Kampala going back to Mombasa for
it had to load coffee to Mombasa. Can you explain to me why Buganda and
Eastern Uganda are still poor to the level UPC left them if they produced
that much of the stuff? Buganda and Eastern Uganda were left poor by UPC
government for it badly under paid their coffee and Cotton. Go back and see
some very lucrative prices they were getting off world market, then turn
around and justify how low UPC was paying my parents for a KG of coffee.
They were thieves literary. And Buganda and Eastern Uganda would have been
the richest regions in the country had only UPC paid a single dollar for a
KG of coffee they sold out. And I hate those that stand up to claim how UPC
was anti Buganda for it shut down the Kingdom, nonsense they stole money out
of our people by paying them chicken feeds from a whooping zillions of
dollars they were getting out of world markets. Do you know who gained the
most out of our coffee? Olara Otunnu to stand on a balcony of a rich suburb
in New York and smoke a firkin cigar for he signed a paper on behalf of
Uganda. And I opine that with time we need a clear setting up to question
UPC of why it so decided to choke the lives out of our people by under
paying them that low, and all I am asking for is a firkin dollar for a KG of
coffee paid to my parents in the 60s. So you wanted me to go after UPC
there you go, you opened the door let us walk into it.
As much as you want to hate Iddi Amin but he tried to start commercially
based farms, Zeu was one, Kenut and Jute was another one in Eastern Uganda
he started animal husbandry in Kigezi and all that was under Agriculture and
Life Stock industries under the ministry of agriculture and livestock
minister I think his name was Sebbi. The mistake Amin and Obote did was that
they produced these farms and plans only to target the feeding of the
population, it was not built for exportation market. What I am raising up is
the government to build its stock, or to create a plan where people can
locally produce for export market. Look at government stores or Silos, and I
know them very well for my old brother was one of the very first assistant
manager of the Nalukolongo complex. Why was Nalukolongo complex built? In
fact I think we have even some more stores in Eastern Uganda today. It was
built to store food grown by people and for future use. Not export but
people use and people growth. Much of the war of Tanzania was paid by
Uganda sending maize to Tanzania, we shipped them literary zillions of
tonnage. Scanias in Bwayise were started in Uganda to ship out maize from
Western Uganda to TZ in payment of the war. Now think about this, if The UN
wants food to feed Southern Sudan idiots, Kenyan idiots, Burundi idiots,
Gaza idiots, Western African idiots, why does it have to get corn out of
United States when we can actually grow it in Uganda at a commercial value?
Think again about that. If on a non-commercial growth we managed to supply
Tanzania with such a tonnage of corn, tell me how every Ugandan cannot be
employed by growing only corn in Uganda at a commercial basis and we ship it
to The UN to any country it so needs it as a final product. Tell me that.
And UN pays in dollars.
God. Sometimes I find myself talking to my own firkin shadow.
Geez !!!!!!
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 6:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} There is a difference between Economic growth and
Economic Development.
Mr Mulindwa;
Ha ah hi ha ha!
I am glad that you're not an economics lecturer otherwise you would end up
producing students like Dan Bwanika. In any case, most Ugandans are products
of M7's school of thought and inconsistency. They cannot think beyond the
pseudo economics of his excellency!
Did you know that UPC also made that mistake? No! The UPC government had
established Government farms in most part of Uganda had agric official etc;
but most of these farms have been taken over by the usual suspects. On the
whole, your view is not far off from the mark but again, through small
holdings Uganda was able to export coffee to world standard. The point is
size is immaterial, outgrowers collectively can boost an industry. The
problem in my opinion, is the price for these commodities and storage; not
to mention the standard of the products, something Ugandan Gov should
educate the farmers on. For instance, cassava or mogo to you, is now common
in western outlets, at a price which would make a single farmer producing
from a small plot in UG, a millionaire in under five years.
Akim
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>
wrote:
Dan Bwanika
You are addressing a massive problem narrowly. Uganda grew a whole lot of
food but that food was grown for local consumption never for earning foreign
exchange. How many cities had Uganda Matooke in the 60s? I get a flight of
Matooke every week in this city, so that is a commercial sale which you have
thrown on food supposed to be of home consumption. But you have not changed
the growth of Matooke in Uganda to commercial growth. So you are still going
to an old grand ma in the village and cutting her Matoke down to be exported
to Toronto on a weekly basis. That land she is using is not a direct
beneficially to the exportation as she is not a direct beneficially. 15
years down the road that plant is going to cease to exist, then what? I am
still going to survive in this city without Uganda matooke but you in Uganda
are going to starve to death. And it is called critical thinking for you
need to look at the time to come and you plan for it. Ugandans simply do not
plan for the future. There was a time Matooke mainly came from Masaka that
time passed and we changed to Eastern Uganda, can you tell me what we
replaced it with in Masaka? One of the mistakes this government has done and
they are many, is to think that Ugandans grow food so that the country gets
foreign exchange, nonsense Ugandans grow food to get local money to support
their lives locally, so if the buyer takes it to Toronto who cares, if he
takes it to Katwe market again who cares? Kenya sells flowers
internationally but they also grow it commercially, what is it you export
out of Uganda that you grow commercially today?
Did you know that UPC also made that mistake? They thought that Ugandans
grow coffee to get foreign exchange to the country. Nonsense they grew it to
support their families, when coffee failed to support them they cut it down
and there is no longer coffee. But the Japs I loved the most, you see the
Japs revolved with an expensive coffee tree in Eastern Uganda, when it
failed to supply their money locally, they cut it down and planted millet.
Why millet? Because you use millet to make Amalwa which they sell locally
and still get the money they need to run their lives locally. To a Jap it
never mattered If the Coffee earned Uganda a foreign exchange but has he
bought his wife a Gomesi this Christmas? Again the argument here is that the
population will manipulate the dust if it has to, as long as it gets the
money to run its lives locally. So you as a government get and use the
outcome of that investment to use it as a foreign exchange earning power as
a by the way, and the shallow thinking of government is failing to invest
into it to a commercial level. Uganda today is exporting a whole lot of
fish, but can you tell me how much they are investing into the Lakes to grow
that fish? Absolutely nothing. The Tilapia I eat in this city is fresh from
Uganda, do you know how I get it? Because Israel grows Uganda Tilapia on
commercial basis. When did they start? Way back during Obote one government,
they got samples out of Lake Victoria and started a very successful breeding
of Uganda Tilapia, it now shows up on Toronto streets in boxes as a product
from Israel. There is time to come up when the entire fish out of Uganda
Lakes dries up for you are growing it naturally but harvesting it
commercially, it simply cannot survive that long sir. By 2013 Uganda should
have stopped to fish out of lakes for export and getting all fish out of
tanks for exports but leave the Lake fish for local consumption. And
honestly that is the easiest thing to do. If Uganda fish grows in Israel
tanks in a small country under populated country as Israel why not put
massive tanks into Nakasongola to grow fish for export market? Nope we want
to manufacture bullets instead, eat the fish out of the Lakes and die.
God. Sometimes I find myself talking to my own firkin shadow.
Geez !!!!!!
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Bwanika
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: beti kamya; Kale Kayihura; [email protected]; Jonny Rubin; Tugume Sam;
Norbert Mao; [email protected]; Johnnie Muwanga-Zake; Joseph Kamugisha;
[email protected]; Naava Nabagesera; WB Kyijomanyi;
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Subject: {UAH} Re: There is a difference between Economic growth and
Economic Development.
In fact economic theorem will never develop a country but rather physical
planning and setting up such projects where people see the opportunities to
make money hence the economy and economic development. Who will ever go to
Yumbe to start a coca cola plant with physically planning that area? Mbu
direct foreign investment. In Kiruhura ahhaa they have developed a lot, now
they do not living a nomadic life, they also eat matooke and fruits.
Development!
Imagine Bugerere and Kyagwe i 1960 with matooke, cocoa plantations etc!
For NRM the two are the same - when we came in 1986 there were no
industries. They do not say we were booming every body and NRA strategy was
no economic activities, since the economy was Obote's economy.
Bloody hopeless
Bwanika
On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:09:45 PM UTC+2, Hannah Ogwapiti wrote:
UAH,
There is a difference between Economic growth and Economic Development.
Economic growth is like what so called good schools do - put the bright
students in one stream and the teachers put a lot of effort to coach them so
that they can score excellent grades in the UNEB papers. The duller students
are put in other streams and may even be forced to sit their exam from
another centre so that they don't spoil the performance of the school.
Economic development is believing every child can learn. Teachers spend time
with the slow learners to empower them and identify and nurture other
talents so that they benefit from the time at school. In the good old days
people learnt social skills, writing, speech making etc so that even if they
didnt have academic flair they had something to show for going to school.
Indifference is natural And as old as creation but has the current gov't
leaned against econ. development or growth? It's a gov't full of selfish and
greedy individuals. The larger no. of Ugandans live under the poverty line
and delivery of social services is at its lowest.
What development does is that it gives people more bang for the effort they
make. If I can use another education analogy:I started P1 in a school where
our class teacher neither spoke nor wrote English so we never learnt any
English the whole year. For P2 I was moved to another school where pupils
started learning English in P1. While classmates could read the story of
Poor Kapere - I on the other hand was reduced to cramming the story and
photographic interpretation. The teachers realised my predicament and put me
under the tutorial of the grade 1 teacher and after 2 terms I was at par
with the other pupils.
So let citizens exert economic effort but let government also create a
development oriented environment. The last 3 weeks the President has been
all over the place either laying foundation stones or unveiling plaques of
finished projects but the hall mark of these projects is that they
underscore the growth mindedness of our government.
Most people who consider themselves successful if they were honest would
admit that they are so because of opportunities. My teacher gave me
opportunity by taking time to tutor me. There are people who are poor today
and others who will be poor a decade later because they have been
systematically robbed of their opportunities. Under NRM,the opportunities
continue to flow (or to be pulled) in the direction of a few.
--
H.OGWAPITI
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