Mukulu Dan Bwanika is now talking about an "Economic Theorem"? Huuu..........
Let us see the assumptions (axioms) on which this theorem is built........... And is there any body else that has heard of it......it must be a very interesting Theorem.......this one, No? ..... ........In fact economic theorem will never develop a country but rather physical planning and setting up such projects where people see the opportunities to make money hence the economy and economic development........... On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>wrote: > Ggwe Akim Odong !!!!!!!!!**** > > ** ** > > This discussion is not about patriotism let alone going after political > parties it is about making a wrong right. And I have read several writings > nipping about it, and to Abbey Ssemuwemba this discussion is not about > building schools of Fish for export this thread is about changing a Uganda > culture that fails to separate home consumption to commercial use. Uganda > government from get go it does not matter what Baboon is in office we have > no export policy, it moves by what the population moves to. That is what I > am out to kill. I need a public policy clearly written out to support the > government agenda on export and whatever is exported is grown on a > commercially built basis. And that product does not have to be used or > eaten by the local population it has to be built solely for exportation and > the population consumption as a by the way. So if you are in a forum to > read from economics lecturers try the PHD holders that have been running > our country from the time I was born, do you need the names? Try George > Okello try Edward Pojim or let alone Ocen Nekyon. This is a man that did > not go to school but is simply pushing his agenda based on firkin common > sense.**** > > ** ** > > But now that you have decided to turn my thread into preaching the UPC > successes let me go after UPC directly for you have opened the God damn > door. I need the names of the UPC government farms that it introduced in > most parts of the country, start with Luwero for that is where I was born > and that is what I know the most. If you say it started government firms in > most parts of the country I honestly need one in Luwero for Luwero mattered > to UPC, a very reason it became the most electrified region in the entire > country, we are that important to UPC. There is none. So your statement > that UPC started government farms in most parts of the country is Wolokoso > sir. Now that we have fixed that, UPC had an agricultural system but it was > built to meet human consumption, it was not built to meet exportation, the > exportation UPC built was following exactly what I am against today, > targeting what people grow. Did you know that NRA/NRM started to find > markets for Vanilla? Where was it going to find it? From people in Mukono > that privately grew it, the moment people saw no money out of it they > stopped to grow it and the government agenda dies, that is what I am > against. I need a government to produce or to lead private people to > produce Vanilla on commercial basis whether the people use it locally or > they don’t. Then we find a market out of Uganda when we are sure of the > production locally. I am looking for a policy written on Uganda books that > in order for a government to make a product exported out of Uganda it must > be commercially produced but it must be exported as a final product, not as > a raw material but a finalized product. That is the policy I need the PHD > holders in this forum to write on papers then we implement it. A policy > not to export Tomatoes but Ketchup. And those cans and bottles must be > manufactured in Uganda unlike Beer bottles we still import out of Germany > or Tanzania when glass is the easiest technology on earth to manufacture > from sand.**** > > ** ** > > Akim Odong One of the major exports UPC had at a time was coffee and > Cotton, they shipped out tons and tons of that stuff on a daily basis. > Every container and trailer that took goods to Uganda Rwanda CAR DRC > Burundi sometimes South Sudan had to pass through Kampala going back to > Mombasa for it had to load coffee to Mombasa. Can you explain to me why > Buganda and Eastern Uganda are still poor to the level UPC left them if > they produced that much of the stuff? Buganda and Eastern Uganda were left > poor by UPC government for it badly under paid their coffee and Cotton. Go > back and see some very lucrative prices they were getting off world market, > then turn around and justify how low UPC was paying my parents for a KG of > coffee. They were thieves literary. And Buganda and Eastern Uganda would > have been the richest regions in the country had only UPC paid a single > dollar for a KG of coffee they sold out. And I hate those that stand up to > claim how UPC was anti Buganda for it shut down the Kingdom, nonsense they > stole money out of our people by paying them chicken feeds from a whooping > zillions of dollars they were getting out of world markets. Do you know who > gained the most out of our coffee? Olara Otunnu to stand on a balcony of a > rich suburb in New York and smoke a firkin cigar for he signed a paper on > behalf of Uganda. And I opine that with time we need a clear setting up to > question UPC of why it so decided to choke the lives out of our people by > under paying them that low, and all I am asking for is a firkin dollar for > a KG of coffee paid to my parents in the 60’s. So you wanted me to go > after UPC there you go, you opened the door let us walk into it.**** > > ** ** > > As much as you want to hate Iddi Amin but he tried to start commercially > based farms, Zeu was one, Kenut and Jute was another one in Eastern Uganda > he started animal husbandry in Kigezi and all that was under Agriculture > and Life Stock industries under the ministry of agriculture and livestock > minister I think his name was Sebbi. The mistake Amin and Obote did was > that they produced these farms and plans only to target the feeding of the > population, it was not built for exportation market. What I am raising up > is the government to build its stock, or to create a plan where people can > locally produce for export market. Look at government stores or Silos, and > I know them very well for my old brother was one of the very first > assistant manager of the Nalukolongo complex. Why was Nalukolongo complex > built? In fact I think we have even some more stores in Eastern Uganda > today. It was built to store food grown by people and for future use. Not > export but people use and people growth. Much of the war of Tanzania was > paid by Uganda sending maize to Tanzania, we shipped them literary zillions > of tonnage. Scanias in Bwayise were started in Uganda to ship out maize > from Western Uganda to TZ in payment of the war. Now think about this, if > The UN wants food to feed Southern Sudan idiots, Kenyan idiots, Burundi > idiots, Gaza idiots, Western African idiots, why does it have to get corn > out of United States when we can actually grow it in Uganda at a commercial > value? Think again about that. If on a non-commercial growth we managed to > supply Tanzania with such a tonnage of corn, tell me how every Ugandan > cannot be employed by growing only corn in Uganda at a commercial basis and > we ship it to The UN to any country it so needs it as a final product. Tell > me that. And UN pays in dollars.**** > > God. Sometimes I find myself talking to my own firkin shadow. > Geez !!!!!!**** > > EM > On the 49th**** > > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi > "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" > **** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *akim odong > *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 6:06 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: {UAH} There is a difference between Economic growth and > Economic Development.**** > > ** ** > > Mr Mulindwa;**** > > ** ** > > Ha ah hi ha ha!**** > > ** ** > > I am glad that you're not an economics lecturer otherwise you would end up > producing students like Dan Bwanika. In any case, most Ugandans are > products of M7's school of thought and inconsistency. They cannot think > beyond the pseudo economics of his excellency!**** > > Did you know that UPC also made that mistake? No! The UPC government > had established Government farms in most part of Uganda had agric official > etc; but most of these farms have been taken over by the usual suspects. On > the whole, your view is not far off from the mark but again, through small > holdings Uganda was able to export coffee to world standard. The point is > size is immaterial, outgrowers collectively can boost an industry. The > problem in my opinion, is the price for these commodities and storage; not > to mention the standard of the products, something Ugandan Gov should > educate the farmers on. For instance, cassava or mogo to you, is now common > in western outlets, at a price which would make a single farmer producing > from a small plot in UG, a millionaire in under five years.**** > > ** ** > > Akim**** > > **** > > ** ** > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Dan Bwanika**** > > **** > > You are addressing a massive problem narrowly. Uganda grew a whole lot of > food but that food was grown for local consumption never for earning > foreign exchange. How many cities had Uganda Matooke in the 60’s? I get a > flight of Matooke every week in this city, so that is a commercial sale > which you have thrown on food supposed to be of home consumption. But you > have not changed the growth of Matooke in Uganda to commercial growth. So > you are still going to an old grand ma in the village and cutting her > Matoke down to be exported to Toronto on a weekly basis. That land she is > using is not a direct beneficially to the exportation as she is not a > direct beneficially. 15 years down the road that plant is going to cease to > exist, then what? I am still going to survive in this city without Uganda > matooke but you in Uganda are going to starve to death. And it is called > critical thinking for you need to look at the time to come and you plan for > it. Ugandans simply do not plan for the future. There was a time Matooke > mainly came from Masaka that time passed and we changed to Eastern Uganda, > can you tell me what we replaced it with in Masaka? One of the mistakes > this government has done and they are many, is to think that Ugandans grow > food so that the country gets foreign exchange, nonsense Ugandans grow food > to get local money to support their lives locally, so if the buyer takes it > to Toronto who cares, if he takes it to Katwe market again who cares? > Kenya sells flowers internationally but they also grow it commercially, > what is it you export out of Uganda that you grow commercially today?**** > > **** > > Did you know that UPC also made that mistake? They thought that Ugandans > grow coffee to get foreign exchange to the country. Nonsense they grew it > to support their families, when coffee failed to support them they cut it > down and there is no longer coffee. But the Japs I loved the most, you see > the Japs revolved with an expensive coffee tree in Eastern Uganda, when it > failed to supply their money locally, they cut it down and planted millet. > Why millet? Because you use millet to make Amalwa which they sell locally > and still get the money they need to run their lives locally. To a Jap it > never mattered If the Coffee earned Uganda a foreign exchange but has he > bought his wife a Gomesi this Christmas? Again the argument here is that > the population will manipulate the dust if it has to, as long as it gets > the money to run its lives locally. So you as a government get and use the > outcome of that investment to use it as a foreign exchange earning power as > a by the way, and the shallow thinking of government is failing to invest > into it to a commercial level. Uganda today is exporting a whole lot of > fish, but can you tell me how much they are investing into the Lakes to > grow that fish? Absolutely nothing. The Tilapia I eat in this city is fresh > from Uganda, do you know how I get it? Because Israel grows Uganda Tilapia > on commercial basis. When did they start? Way back during Obote one > government, they got samples out of Lake Victoria and started a very > successful breeding of Uganda Tilapia, it now shows up on Toronto streets > in boxes as a product from Israel. There is time to come up when the entire > fish out of Uganda Lakes dries up for you are growing it naturally but > harvesting it commercially, it simply cannot survive that long sir. By 2013 > Uganda should have stopped to fish out of lakes for export and getting all > fish out of tanks for exports but leave the Lake fish for local > consumption. And honestly that is the easiest thing to do. If Uganda fish > grows in Israel tanks in a small country under populated country as Israel > why not put massive tanks into Nakasongola to grow fish for export market? > Nope we want to manufacture bullets instead, eat the fish out of the Lakes > and die.**** > > **** > > God. Sometimes I find myself talking to my own firkin shadow. > Geez !!!!!!**** > > **** > > EM > On the 49th**** > > **** > > **** > > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy" > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi > "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" > **** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dan Bwanika > *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 3:10 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* beti kamya; Kale Kayihura; [email protected]; Jonny Rubin; Tugume > Sam; Norbert Mao; [email protected]; Johnnie Muwanga-Zake; Joseph > Kamugisha; [email protected]; Naava Nabagesera; WB Kyijomanyi; > [email protected] > *Subject:* {UAH} Re: There is a difference between Economic growth and > Economic Development.**** > > **** > > > In fact economic theorem will never develop a country but rather physical > planning and setting up such projects where people see the opportunities to > make money hence the economy and economic development. Who will ever go to > Yumbe to start a coca cola plant with physically planning that area? Mbu > direct foreign investment. In Kiruhura ahhaa they have developed a lot, now > they do not living a nomadic life, they also eat matooke and fruits. > Development! > > Imagine Bugerere and Kyagwe i 1960 with matooke, cocoa plantations etc! > > For NRM the two are the same - when we came in 1986 there were no > industries. They do not say we were booming every body and NRA strategy was > no economic activities, since the economy was Obote's economy. > > Bloody hopeless > > Bwanika > > > > > On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 1:09:45 PM UTC+2, Hannah Ogwapiti wrote:*** > * > > UAH, > There is a difference between Economic growth and Economic Development. > Economic growth is like what so called good schools do - put the bright > students in one stream and the teachers put a lot of effort to coach them > so that they can score excellent grades in the UNEB papers. The duller > students are put in other streams and may even be forced to sit their exam > from another centre so that they don't spoil the performance of the school. > > Economic development is believing every child can learn. Teachers spend > time with the slow learners to empower them and identify and nurture other > talents so that they benefit from the time at school. In the good old days > people learnt social skills, writing, speech making etc so that even if > they didnt have academic flair they had something to show for going to > school. > > Indifference is natural And as old as creation but has the current gov't > leaned against econ. development or growth? It's a gov't full of selfish > and greedy individuals. The larger no. of Ugandans live under the poverty > line and delivery of social services is at its lowest. > > What development does is that it gives people more bang for the effort > they make. If I can use another education analogy:I started P1 in a school > where our class teacher neither spoke nor wrote English so we never learnt > any English the whole year. For P2 I was moved to another school where > pupils started learning English in P1. While classmates could read the > story of Poor Kapere - I on the other hand was reduced to cramming the > story and photographic interpretation. The teachers realised my predicament > and put me under the tutorial of the grade 1 teacher and after 2 terms I > was at par with the other pupils. > > So let citizens exert economic effort but let government also create a > development oriented environment. The last 3 weeks the President has been > all over the place either laying foundation stones or unveiling plaques of > finished projects but the hall mark of these projects is that they > underscore the growth mindedness of our government. > > Most people who consider themselves successful if they were honest would > admit that they are so because of opportunities. My teacher gave me > opportunity by taking time to tutor me. There are people who are poor today > and others who will be poor a decade later because they have been > systematically robbed of their opportunities. Under NRM,the opportunities > continue to flow (or to be pulled) in the direction of a few. > > -- > *H.OGWAPITI* > ----------------------------------------------------- > *"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that > we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic > and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." * > ---Theodore Roosevelt **** > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6260 - Release Date: 10/17/13* > *** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6262 - Release Date: 10/18/13* > *** > > _______________________________________________ > Ugandanet mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet > > UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). 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