I would want to see Kampala assume statehood. This is from historical point
of view and it's current status as the seat of the Gov't and home to over 2m
Ugandans. Kampala therefore, will continue in its current role as the
capital of the nation, home of the nation, a free state!.
And how will you structure this sentence if Ugandans move the capital? No
under federalism The capital of Uganda will remain Kampala for life.
Man we live in very strange days indeed !!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 12:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} Mr. Akim: I suggest we split Uganda into 14 states
WB;
Reading your compilation of a would be a federal state of Uganda is an
interesting guide. The official line of our party UFA, is that the people
will decide. After a successful referendum, a federal commission will be set
to amalgamate the various views. However from a personal perspective, I
would want Uganda state to comprise of the old provinces and maybe one or
two to be created in uniques cases like the West Nile that has a natural
demarcation. The reason being i am opposed to tribal states, because we are
not ready for it and the sizes of the some of the tribes will easily
disadvantage them. Crucially, it will widen the chasm of the already
existing tribal differences. So a state consisting of more than one tribe is
the model i would prefer.
WB, on the the case of Buganda, I would want to see Kampala assume
statehood. This is from historical point of view and it's current status as
the seat of the Gov't and home to over 2m Ugandans. Kampala therefore, will
continue in its current role as the capital of the nation, home of the
nation, a free state!.
What i found of interest, is the overlapping power of the judiciary
particularly, the circuit judges. The one distinction that the states will
enjoy among others, is the courts. The state should have the right to make
their own laws as longer as it does not undermine the national or federal
law.
WB on the whole, I think your compilation was a good read and guide to what
we should all be working on, but ultimately, Ugandans will decide. The one
thing that i will emphasize to you is that Ugandans do not want to see the
country split up and if federal is to be achieved, transparency and all the
condiments needed for a good broth, should be brought to the table and no
single tribe or region, should be disadvantaged. Importantly, federal should
not be looked at as a system to preserve tribal antics etc, but as a system
to provide stability for development, stability, accountability and
democracy. If it will kill more than one bird as result, without the use of
another bullet, so be it!
I will continue to read the doki. I am sure many will use it as a template
for a future Uganda. Alluta continua!
Akim
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:20 PM, WB <[email protected]> wrote:
Mr. Akim:
Try the link below. If you still do not get it, let me know.
<http://successisthekey.tripod.com/Constitution.pdf>
http://successisthekey.tripod.com/Constitution.pdf
WBK
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:16:21 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: {UAH} I suggest we split Uganda into 14 states
> To: [email protected]
>
>
> Aliga Charles,
>
> You need to revisit the African post independence history. No matter how
many times you will repeat your statement, it is only true with very few
countries - in fact Tanzania among them. The rest have gone through violent
and deadly political struggles. And I doubt whether the capital city for
each individual State had anything to do with it.
>
> I fail to understand why some people fear something they are practicing
subconsciously. The moment you establish a family, away and independent from
your parents, that is federal right there. The problem is that some of us
fear to extend the same principle beyond the boundaries of our homes. The
structures of federalism have to take shape based on what the individual
communities can do better by themselves at their level (micro projects). The
central government can handle the macro projects which require huge
financial and personnel resources.
>
> Paul Mugerwa
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 8:49 AM PST WB wrote:
>
> >Mulindwa
> >
> >You have spewed out more hatred towards the Acholi online than anyone
else and you have the guts to bring me in your imbecile so called critical
thinking my foot. Are Acholis not from Northern Uganda?
> >
> >Listen, I know you were kicked out of Fedsnet, but I had nothing to do
with it. You were kicked out because you had and still have nothing positive
to contribute despite your self promotion as a critical thinker. If critical
thinkers are like you, then God save our motherland.
> >
> >You can go after me because simple minds focus on people. Great minds
discuss ideas. So each time you feel frustrated or perhaps even more you
bring in my name like Amin used to do towards Nyerere.
> >
> >Mr.. Robukui: the 4 state model you suggest is not feasible. You should
be alert to recent history.
> >
> >Mr. Akim: Go and read the material at www.federo.com
> >Better try to get the Fedsnet document prepared over 10 years ago. I am
sure it is there. Also visit the Q & A.
> >
> >Let me remind you and others that there is virtually nothing new that was
not discussed then and documented including the state of Kampala in federal
Uganda.
> >
> >I actually try not to engage in the federal debate online anymore because
I feel we did our part. And did a better job at it.
> >
> >WBK
> >
> >
> >
> >Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 06:01:59 +0100
> >Subject: RE: {UAH} I suggest we split Uganda into 14 states
> >From: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >
> >Mulindwa,
> >Do you not know that those who are advocating for FEDERO realised that
they have failed to sell it to the people - even in Buganda itself, so they
decide to hide their agenda under a more "finner" Word FEDERALISM?
> >
> >Nyar
> >
> >
> >On 15 Feb 2014 23:42, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Tendo Kaluma
> >You cannot preach the merits of Federalism when Baganda do not believe
that Baluri and Banyara have rights. With that kind of a problem do not put
your money into a sentence with Federalism and merits together. You have a
very serious problem in Uganda and undercoating it with Federalism you will
be doing what my dad used to call Okusakirira adukana This system is being
preached today for it is the easiest point to reach elimination of those we
do not need. Dont you wonder that men like WBK that supported and praised
Museveni for he is eliminating Northerners are the very ones preaching for
federalism today? Be veeery careful before you jump to the merit nonsense.
> > Just a friendly caution
> > EM
> >
> >On the 49th
> >EMOn the 49th Parallel
> > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> >
> >"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> >
> >"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
> >From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tendo Kaluma
> >
> >Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:42 AM
> >To: ugandans at heart
> >Subject: Re: {UAH} I suggest we split Uganda into 14 states
> >Slowly but surely folks will come around and consider the merits of
Federalism, given the many tribal groups and resource rich territories we
have, it is the smart choice. The challenge is to get them all prepared with
local governmental structures necessary to survive in the belly of such a
beast. Buganda is already in position for such a change - how about the rest
of the country - what would it take to get them ready to join the union with
their own state constitutions?
> >Tendo On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Aliga Charles
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >I have said it before and will continue to say it untill people will
realise what I am talking about. The problem of uganda is not Federalism nor
Unitary, its the position of the Capital City (Kampala). Had the capital
city of uganda not been in Biganda Kingdom, the 1966 Crisis would not have
happened. Amin and Museveni would not have come to power. Uganda would have
been a peaceful coungry like many African countries.
> >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 02:17:10 -0800
> >Subject: Re: {UAH} I suggest we split Uganda into 14 states
> >
> >From: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> > And it won't be a tea party!
> >phew!
> >On Feb 15, 2014 4:35 AM, "Frank Mujabi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >RobukuiYou are right. The discussion on how to get rid of the ogre has to
start.
> >Otherwise this is all hot air. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Robukui .
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >Four self sufficient States. West, Central, East and South.
> > They have to be self sustaining on all levels.
> > We are talking theories here, until this thief is thrown out.
> >
> >Simple question, when will this discussion happen? After you help remove
the dictatorship?
> > Viele GruBe
> >Robukui
> >2014-02-14 20:16 GMT-08:00 Mulyazzawo Timpula
<[email protected]>:
> > Amazing, luck struck and exposed federal to Odong Otto while in Aqua
Ibom state in Nigeria. It is surprising that Odongo Ottos writing and
preaching of federal can be mistaken to that of Charles Peter Mayiga the
Katikkiro of Buganda.
> > Some of us we have been propagating having exposed leaders for Uganda.
Many leaders in Uganda are ignorant of many things. That is the difference
between Ugandans in the Diaspora and those back home. Yes it might sound a
bit harsh but that is the truth. Imagine; just a simple visit has enabled
OTTO ODONGO to realize what he could not see in the past 30 years in Uganda.
> > For years Buganda has been on the fore front telling other regions the
beauty of federalism for Uganda. This can be clearly seen in the 1962
independence constitution to date. For years Ugandans have lost their lives,
properties and denied development because of ignorance. Ignorance is a
disease and I beg other politicians to quickly join ODONG OTTO to spear head
the campaign to install a federal system of governance for Uganda and stop
the on going carnage once for all in the Country. It is time for all
Ugandans to listen to a more exposed Buganda leaders on most issues relating
to National building.
> > As a grown Ugandan, I have seen different revolutionaries coming and go
since 1966, 1971, 1979 and 1986 to date. All these political struggles have
been between federalists and unitary system governance believers for Uganda.
> > Federalists mainly non militaristic have always been used by
militaristic Unitary believer politicians in the name of liberating with
promises to install pro-federal system democratic government in Uganda.
> > People like professor Lule, Andrew Kayira, Prof. Wadada Nabudere etc
ended up joining the war to overthrow Idi Amin Dada on those promises. For
years Unitary believers had all the time failed to dislodge successive
dictatorial regimes in Uganda. In order to win all the time had to front
federalists. Lule lead on those grounds before he was pushed out using a gun
to fully once again install a Unitary system of governance in 1980 for
Ugandans to suffer the consequences later.
> > Pro- federalist lead by Adrew Kayira declared war 1980 against a
pro-Unitary govt before Museveni later jumped on the band wagon in 1981
giving stolen election to DP as a reason to fight a pro- unitary Obote. Soon
Museveni realized, he could not manage the war with out pro-federalists on
his side. He had to beg Lule and later Kabaka; promising to bring heaven on
Earth - federal.
> > Once Kabaka a pro chief federalist accepted to be on Museveini's side,
the rest now is history. Again less militaristic federalists were used to
win the War. Had Kabaka a pro-chief federalist went on Kayiras side, the
federal democratic system of governance would have been in Uganda today. I
am sure we would not have had havoc in eastern and northern Uganda or would
have experienced the dominance of foreigners in the politics and the economy
in Uganda.
> > Instead Musevenis dishonest helped him once again install Unitary with
all powers in his hands. Ugandans are crying and once again waiting or
searching for a federalist messiah to come and lead the war against
Museveni. Probably this time around he is going to be Odonga Otto.
Pro-Unitary successive leaders in Uganda have been embroiled in promoting
hatred between pro-federal Buganda against the rest of Uganda to suffocate
federalism. It is time to change.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >I suggest we split Uganda into 14 states
> >Guest Writers
> >THURSDAY, 13 FEBRUARY 2014 21:06
> >WRITTEN BY ODONGA OTTO
> >
> >0 COMMENTS
> >
> >
> >Recently, while on a visit to Nigeria, I felt it important to reconsider
my views on federalism.
> >The Federal Republic of Nigeria comprises 26 federal states. I had the
courtesy of visiting Aqua Ibom state located in the coastal southern part of
Nigeria. Aqua Ibom state was carved out of Callabar state in 1987, just a
year after Ugandas NRA/M revolution.
> >Aqua Ibom state has a population of 4.5 million and budgetary revenue of
about nine trillion Uganda shillings, which is close to two thirds of
Ugandas annual budget. The state has a monthly local revenue collection of
about Shs 30bn.
> >Aqua Ibom state is a model for a successful federal state in Africa and I
bet in the next three years it will be one of the leading tourism
destinations in Africa. The whole state is dedicated to God and every Monday
all the civil servants and political leaders start the day with prayers and
give themselves goals to achieve in the week.
> >I attended the routine Monday morning prayer where a sermon was delivered
by the speaker of the state assembly, Rt Hon Samuel Ekon. The state has
built the first underground water drainage facility in Africa, whereby a
town like Bwaise was drained with drainage networks stretching 9km beneath
the city, without any building having to be destroyed.
> >There is free health care for expectant mothers and the elderly. The
state is building an international airport at Ibom, just 10 minutes flight
from Callabar Airport. It has also constructed 290 new roads and built
Nigerias first e-library.
> >Additionally, the state has completed a 191-megawatt power plant, built a
69km gas processing pipeline and embarked on comprehensive rural
electrification linking 1,400 communities to the national grid. This has
helped the state to achieve 85% rural electrification.
> >The Aqua Ibom government has also built a 30,000 ultra-modern stadium to
be commissioned later this year when the governor, Chief Godswill Akpabio,
is set to sponsor an international friendly game between Britains Arsenal
and Manchester United in September. This game would be the first of its kind
in Africa and it would boost tourism in the state.
> >Furthermore, the state is undertaking construction of an Olympic-size
stadium, six fly-overs and massive housing projects for its people. In
addition, the state offers free quality education and is constructing the
eight-lane third ring road, among others.
> >Would the central government of Nigeria have achieved all this if all
eyes were on President Goodluck Jonathan? Or, rather, has President Museveni
achieved such success over the last 28 years?
> >Previous governments in Uganda made deliberate efforts to forge national
unity. Our forefathers, for instance, had school exchange programmes whereby
students from all over the country studied in different parts of the same
country.
> >Nostalgia still runs high for old students of schools such as Sir Samuel
Baker in Gulu, Sir Tito Winyi in Bunyoro and St Leos in Fort Portal [where
my father studied]. However, this practice has been frustrated to the extent
that today one can easily study from nursery to university without leaving
his or her village. The cultural shocks and national divide are more
profound today.
> >There is too much centralisation of power and heartbreaking competition
for such power. And such power at the centre is very often abused and
personalised to the extent of a leader calling the UPDF my army or a
natural occurrence my eclipse.
> >The national cake has been used to develop certain federal districts at
the expense of the whole of Uganda. Therefore, there should be a deliberate
effort by the central government to consider a federal system of governance
for Uganda.
> >Government and Parliament must come in to educate and sensitise the
public about its advantages. We must all accept we are different yet we have
to live together, just as a fruit salad is best with many other components.
> >Uganda can reconsider federalism by amalgamating the vast 117 districts
into 14 federal states; West Nile, Acholi, Lango, Bukedi, Teso, Busoga,
Bunyoro, Karamoja, Buganda, Ankole, Elgon, Kigezi, Tooro and Sebei.
> >Each federal state would have an elected governor and a council. This
would go a long way in saving on the cost of delivery of social services and
organising elections. The current governor of Aqua Ibom state, because of
the two-term rule, is contesting for the position of senator and maybe,
later on, the presidency.
> >In Uganda, a federal system would ensure that those who contest for
leadership are pre-tested in their home regions. As the saying goes, charity
begins at home. In addition, federal government resources and revenue can be
used to develop international airfields, universities and business hubs.
> >The fear of federalism in Uganda is based on misconceptions about the
Kabaka taking over all the land and non-Baganda being forced to leave
Buganda. This fear is propagated by the enemies of federalism.
> >Does the Kabaka s power override the Constitution of Uganda and the Land
Act? On the contrary, it would be in the interest of the Buganda state
government to attract people to their state the same way the Nigerian states
are doing.
> >There should be a deliberate effort by each state to market itself to the
whole world and attract revenue for its own survival and that of its own
people.
> >
> >Bravo Nigeria! Bravo Aqua Ibom state!
> >
> >[email protected]
> >The author is MP, Aruu county, Pader district.
> >___________________________________Gwokto La'Kitgum
> >"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
> >
> >
> >
> >
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