John Nsubuga
I get very frustrated when Ugandans especially those that have left the country
and live in diaspora reason in this very poor manner. And that frustration
goes also when men like Edward Pojim Ocen Nekyon Gwokto and George Okello stand
up to piss in every ones face for they are educated than the rest of us. On
record let us establish one simple fact, Luos are not created smart. No they
are actually not they’re like the rest of you out there. The only difference
between these Luos and you is that their parents were in Uganda politics when
your parents were not. And what their parents did was to steal money from your
parents to allow these good gentlemen to go to school. Your parents were busy
in Uganda growing Coffee and Cotton which the parents of these people paid very
terribly. There is no reason we have poverty in Uganda villages than the
governments of these people got a best price of coffee on international market,
and they paid our parents chicken feed day in day out, as they were financing
the education of these gentlemen. Who own a university education cost receipt
in Uganda? Is it Edward Pojim or George Okello? So how did they end up
educated? Because we were producing coffee and cotton day in day out from
Ezomwaka to Embirabira and we were paid I think 2 cents Uganda money a firkin
Kilogram. It was theft and stealing of the highest end. Coffee and cotton of
Uganda if it was ever paid fairly, we would be equal today to a country with
oil. That is how they managed to access good schools and good universities for
they had a guarantee of your parents to supply the coffee and cotton endlessly.
And by all means we have every right and responsibility to stand up and go
after this crappy reasoning by all means available. Did their parents grow
coffee and cotton in Uganda? Heck no for they were in Kampala to make decisions
on how much they can steal from us.
How dare you turn around and define your born victims as uneducated? Geeez
!!!!!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Nsubuga
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:36 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} What we have learned from the Swiss federal experience///
Edward,
You took those words out of my mouth because I was about to fire an email about
the same. This Luo attachment rubbish.
Very daft!
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From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>;
To: <[email protected]>;
Cc: G_NET <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; 'Oryema Johnson'
<[email protected]>;
Subject: RE: {UAH} What we have learned from the Swiss federal experience
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 10:46:29 AM
Akim Odong
There are some very basic facts you need to consider that are happening in our
populace before you throw them the Federalism rug. A day or so ago we had the
Oscars, and good for Africa for her Lupita Nyongo, a Kenyan won an award. I did
not watch the Oscars for I was a t a work at a time, but as soon as I started
to drive home someone in Nairobi sent me an Email on my car system that Lupita
had worn the Oscar, I immediately responded with two words Congratulation to
Africa. And they were only two words for I was on 401 doing about 140 KMPH. I
came home ecstatic for I wanted to publicly recognize her as a role model for
our African kids and a successful story to Africans in diaspora, now that we
have been pounded over and over as Africans living pathetic and unsuccessful
lives in diaspora. But before I drafted my writing, I found my computer so
littered with abuses from Edward Pojim Gwokto and Nekyon Ocen for the award
belonged to a Luo and the rest of us are so stupid and the Luos are smart pants
that are better than everyone. I was personally attacked and called all names
under the sun. I dropped the enthusiasm and simply went to bed for there is a
depth of idiocy I never want to drop my name to. And if you are careful this is
my first comment about the Oscar.
There are many ways this kind of Kuumi reasoning encompasses, it came from
Africans that are educated and exposed to Western civilization, this reasoning
never came from my mother in Kyengera. So to Africans the winning of Izikuru
was of West Nilers not Ugandans, the winning of Keproitich is of Northerners
than Ugandans. These three gentlmen failed even to use this woman’s success to
build the struggle of their own kids, they are in forums praying God on why it
is taking Obama such a long time to blow up every one in Crimea. Was Lupita
Nyongo pushed by Luos? No she was pushed by Jews, so the Luos as always are in
waiting for the carcass of her winning to feed on and build their own ego. With
all due respect I thank the intelligence of President Kenyatta that walked
through this stupidity and praised Lupita Nyongo as a Kenyan when the Luos
tried so hard to make it a tribal issue as they try everything under the sun to
be.
Few days ago we walked through the winter Olympics in Sochi where we won so
much hard ware. But many of the kids that won were from Quebec. The premier of
Quebec praised the players for winning such enormous hardware for Quebec, not
Canada but Quebec. So what the Luos did in UAH is not news for me because I
live it every day. The difference is that if you raise up today to murder
Ontarians amass, the entire province of Quebec will raise up and walk the
Toronto streets to protect us. Air Canada air buses all train systems all GO
bus all forms of transportations will roll towards Ontario to question why you
murder us. So the primitive thinking of the premier of Quebec is civilized
somewhat than the reasoning of the cheap monk Luos we sadly own in this forum.
To them they need all Kikuyus dead, to them they need all non Luos in the north
dead, to them they need all Lugbaras all those in Moyo all those in Ombaci
dead. So to them it is not only a Luo winning but those that did not win must
never even exist. When I raised the issue of Acholis killing fellow Northerners
amass none of them stood up to support my call, to a point that even yours
truly failed to see the value of the lives we lost in Ombaci as an example. For
you stated that the people that matter up north are only Acholis and I needed
to recognize their deaths and sufferings. Not Alurs not Lugbaras not madi not
Kakwa but Acholis and only Acholis. There is nothing that has bothered me in my
entire political life than Karushokye stating that we have biological
substances in Uganda, but people like Edward Pojim Ocen Nekyon and Gwokto have
made it so complicated for me to go after Karushyokye.
Can you seriously see a value of Federalism among such savages?
And I am just asking !!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 1:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} What we have learned from the Swiss federal experience
Mulindwa;
Its not a cruel joke but real state of affairs the federalism is on the march
and make no doubt that Uganda will one day soon wake up to find a new order.
Political parties will exist with more freedom that they currently enjoy. All
the parties including the UFA will operate within the federal structure. What
does this mean? This means that, every state will not interfere with any party
legally recognised by the law. This means, that DP, UPC, CP and others, will
operate side by side without any discrimination from the government nor state.
The advantage will be that, unlike America for instance, we will have more than
two parties representing candidates at the upper and the lower houses, which
will end the lunacy of single party majority which is used to oppress, like we
have in the house of parliament in Uganda.
It will be something of the past.
Akim
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<javascript:return> > wrote:
Akim Odong
Federal system is not a political party, it is amazing if you realize that even
if Uganda become a federal state it will still run political issues through
political party system than Federal system. How far have you gone in developing
political party structures in Uganda? Or they too will be developed by
Federalism?
What a cruel joke !!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected] <javascript:return>
[mailto:[email protected] <javascript:return> ] On Behalf Of
akim odong
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 5:01 PM
To: [email protected] <javascript:return>
Subject: Re: {UAH} What we have learned from the Swiss federal experience
Dr Kashambuzi;
Thank you very much for that piece of history. Federalism indeed, is on the
increase globally, simply because, the unitary system is not natural to human
kind, it has to be imposed by coercion or use of force for it succeed. Not in
these day and age.
Lets keep the struggle alive, Uganda is not looking backward but federalward.
Akim
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Eric Kashambuzi <[email protected]
<javascript:return> > wrote:
As we prepare to replace the failed NRM government that has rejected
federalism, Ugandans have been discussing the benefits of federalism by
examining theory and practice. We have examined the experiences in the United
Kingdom, Belgium and Indonesia.
The purpose of the debate is to see what is suitable for Uganda because
federalism comes in many varieties and contexts. What is pleasantly clear is
that federalism is increasing. As of 2008, there were 28 federal states – five
of them from Africa. What does the Swiss federalism tell us?
In 1291 three cantons (a canton is a state of the Swiss confederation) formed a
league – a kind of constitution – initially for defense purposes. The three
cantons were regarded as a unit. Between 1332 and 1352 four cantons were added
to that unit. It was controlled by a federal diet (legislative assembly) while
retaining much autonomy for the cantons. Political and security considerations
drew the cantons closer together.
By the 16th century, the confederation was still very loose but the number of
cantons had increased to thirteen. Each canton sent two representatives to the
federal diet. Through diplomatic efforts the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia that
ended the thirty years’ war recognized Swiss independence.
Swiss neutrality during the war attracted many refugees. However, neutrality
required a strong army that strengthened canton bonds. Because of this
migration, Swiss society is characterized by diversity divided broadly by
religion and geography as in Uganda.
The Swiss loose confederation accorded each canton a large measure of autonomy
including choosing its form of government. The 1655 proposals to establish a
more centralized state were rejected. During the 1797/98 session, the diet
renewed the oath to maintain Swiss unity and autonomy within Europe.
In 1815, the Congress of Vienna established the principle of perpetual Swiss
neutrality following which a constitutional convention drew up a new federal
pact, establishing a diet with restricted powers and required a vote of
two-thirds of the cantons to ratify any act by the diet. The new arrangements
consolidated the autonomy of cantons within the Swiss confederation.
In 1848, the new Swiss constitution which was modeled on that of the United
States of America replaced the 1815 pact, recognizing Switzerland as a federal
union. The new constitution preserved the local government of cantons. The
federal legislative authority resided in two chambers: the Council of State
with two members from each canton and the National Council members of which
were elected in numbers proportional to the population size of each canton. The
executive branch of government was a Federal Council made up of seven members
elected by the two legislative chambers. The Council’s chairperson for one year
was given the title of president of the confederation without enjoying more
powers than the colleagues.
In economic matters, the Swiss federal government sought to standardize the
currency, weights and measures, expand and regulate postal and communication
services, encourage technological development. However, greater federal
economic control was constrained because cantons retained significant autonomy
underpinned by their respective constitutions.
In 1874, a new constitution gave more powers to the federal government to
reorganize the federal militia. It introduced a system of referendum and
initiative that gave the Swiss people to vote on legislation. For example, in
1953, the voters rejected the constitutional amendment for a federal direct
tax. The constitution provided compulsory education for boys and girls and
freedom of religion. The 1892 constitution extended civil rights. Between 1890
and 1898 the federal government was empowered to enact social insurance,
purchase privately owned railways and unify and enforce civil and penal codes.
Between 1970 and 1985 immigration restrictions were enacted limiting the number
of foreign workers. The rules governing political asylum were also revised
requiring refugees to prove they were not economic migrants. In 1999, a
national referendum restricted further the influx of refugees.
What we have learned is that Swiss federalism has been a gradual process
principally to retain and protect wide powers for the cantons. The Federal
Council is run by a team, not one person as in Uganda. The federalism that UDU
has been recommending is basically in line with the Swiss experience.
Eric Kashambuzi
Secretary General, UDU
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