Ssekajja
Obote did not even try to eradicate them, AMO never went after the Kingdom as
an institution he went after Mutesa the man that planned to murder as many
Ugandans as he so could. Right now I am walking with the Amin/Acholi issue but
with time, I think we need to take on the Obote Mutesa issue as well. I am just
tired with history being discussed in generalities. How did Obote put the
kingdoms on ice when all MPs remained in Uganda and fully functioning? May be
the debate should start with what did they do as Buganda MPs now that Mutesa
had climbed a fence and ran as a very little girl from the very manajatwa he
had started with Uganda government? Look and this is the problem I get when I
read these statements for they get believed by the members of the forum when
they are simply untrue, Ocen Nekyon last night stated that the Queen cannot
fire a prime Minister. Friends let us make statements in public but very
responsibly.
And yes we can discuss them without being abusive to each other.
EM
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Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
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From: [email protected]
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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 9:47 AM
To: [email protected]
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EM,
Sorry he did not abolish, BUT simply tried eradicated them!! Or better still
say that he put them on ice, unaware that the spirit of Buganda nationalism
doesn't die.
EM, don't get me started with "Twesiimye nnyo, twesiimye nnyo, Olwa Buganda
yaffe.............."
Ssekajja
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From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
To: ugandans-at-heart <[email protected]
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Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:33
Subject: RE: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Mwami Ssekajja
Obote never abolished kingdoms, so upgrade the story that Grand Pa handed you.
EM
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"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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We can denounce Kawenkene Obote for abolishing kingdoms and doing away with
local government to promote local administrations under his one-man direction,
but the fact of the matter is that Bonabalikaaba Museveni has gone a step
further, by not only concentrating all political power into his hands, but also
reaching even for all other systems that hold up the state.
In the case of Museveni, we cannot even talk of a one party system that Obote
tried to create, but we are looking at a one-man system or single-man affair.
This is effectively a dictatorship.
Any suggestion that the Decentralization Statute of 1993 restored local
government to districts, municipalities, city divisions, municipal divisions,
town councils and sub counties, is a political fallacy. How can one make such
contemptible assertions, in the face of the ongoing displays of complete
disregard of the political sanity, in relation to the Lord Mayor of Kampala?
Ssekajja
-----Original Message-----
From: Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> >
To: ugandans-at-heart <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> >
Sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 7:37
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Nekyon, sorry l don't know how frequent you visit Uganda but you can ask Maama
Miria and Jimmy Akena and they will tell you that the RDC is different from the
colonial and neo colonial DCs of your time. They are ambassadors of the Central
Government in the districts. hey don't have executive, legislative or judicial
powers. NRM did away with colonial and neo colonial chiefs and restored local
government power to the people directly and through their democratically
elected representatives.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:54 AM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Ahmed;
I make no apologies for being the nephew of that great man. His (AMO) actions
had one purpose and one purpose only; to strengthen the Ugandan state.
Oyima xlan has never been in power!
The thing that the likes of you do not understand is that Oyima clan has no
claims or entitlement in regards to higher office. It is only myopic thinkers
like you who think we do.
I will repeat by rephrasing my earlier response; "if it walks like a Duck it
must be a Duck.'
All powers to administer Uganda are enshrined in the Central government. If
RDC's are direct appointees of the Central appointing authority, how does that
dilute the power of the Unitary state?
The powers of the 'National Purse' aka Treasury still lie with Central
government. Please tell me how those Municipalities, Town Council's and Sub
counties finance their administrative activities?
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 01:32
To: ugandans-at-heart
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Nekyon, l know you are posessed by the ghost of your uncle, Milton Obote who in
1967 abolished local government and demoted them to local administrations under
the false spirt of one government, one party, one leader etc....where Obote who
abolished kingdoms became UPC President for life and his family want to turn it
into an Oima clan affair, to borrow from Akaki of Engand.
But in 1993, the Decentralization Statute restored local government to
districts, municipalities, city divisions, municipal divisions, town councils
and sub counties.
In the Odoki Draft, the national title was "Uganda is a unitary state and a
republic composed of districts of....
The then Mukono Distroct Chairperson who was one of the C.A. Delegate moved a
motion of droping "unitary" after the proposal of "federal" by the late
Dr.Higiro Semajege and Gen.David Sejusa had been defeated.
Subsequently the power that had been decentralized to local governments by the
law, was entrenched by the constitution. l was privileged to have covered C.A.
for over a year.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:19 AM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Ahmed;
Uganda has been Unitary state since 1967.
The quasi Federal/Unitary state you are talking about was buried in 1967. All
the political powers to run Uganda are enshrined in one state: The Republic of
Uganda.
A Unitary System a can devolve it's powers to smaller units just is the case
in the United Kingdom as a great example.
Devolving of powers to Regions does not change the fact that Uganda is a
Unitary state. This case can best be seen in Kenya where some of the powers
have been devolved to the Counties, while remaining a Unitary state.
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 01:09
To: ugandans-at-heart
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Moses, under 1995 constituion, powers that are devolved to local governments
are not reassumed by the centre unless in case of a state of emergency. Depite
being in a voluntary exile, read well your constituion and l asusme that you
are either a student of political science like your father or law like your
uncle the late Akena Adoko.
Uganda is a quazi federa;/quazi unitary more especially with 2005
constitutional amendments some of which have not yet been operationalised.
In any constitutional monarchy, England i nclusiove, the king or queen acgts in
accordance with the advice of the Prime Minister but not on his or her own.
As for the minority to dominate government and national resources, this is is
in all capitalist counties led by US whether republican or not.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Moses Ocen Nekyon <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Ssalongo:
Please refer to my previous answer.
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Ssalongo Ssennoga
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 00:41
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Just the Constitution Moses... Leave the clauses to lousy me!
Villager
On Wednesday, October 1, 2014, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Salongo;
The burden is with you folks who are making such ludicrous comments. I am the
one stating that those clauses do not exist and you are asking me to post
them??????
There must be something in the water we are drinking......
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Ssalongo Ssennoga
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 23:30
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Moses Ocen, paste the Brits' constitution here and I will point out the
relevant clauses for you
With regards from ACE-AGE
On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:58, "Robukui ." <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Ndugu Ocen,
Unless Hajji meant to say Uganda is a dictatorship.
Viele GruBe
Robukui
2014-09-30 9:10 GMT-07:00 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >:
Ahmed;
For you to describe Uganda as not being Unitary nor Federal is where
intellectual laziness begins and ends.
Unitary state of government is described as :
unitary state is a <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_%28polity%29> state
governed as one single unit in which the
<http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_government> central governmentis
supreme and any <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_division>
administrative divisions(subnational units) exercise only powers that their
central <http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government> government chooses to
delegate.
You trying to deem Uganda as otherwise is a head shaker or scratcher depending
on whether one has hair or not!
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:44
To: ugandans-at-heart
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Moses, Uganda is neither federal nor unitary, Read Second Chapter of the
national constitution.
A titular head doe not necessarily mean head of state, but it may be a head of
a region or a district.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Bobby Musoke <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Mr Moses Ocen,
I realize the emotional attachment you have for unitary Uganda because it was
created by your Uncle Milton Obote.
In 1966 when Milton Obote abolished the kingdoms,my opinion was that this
Langi got to be kidding.You cannot walk in from the jungles of Akokoro and
abolish an institution that has been around for more than 800 years just
because you have guns and think you can impose your will on the people!
If you look thru the British colonial period,the British had all along wanted
to abolish the Buganda kingdom during their 70 year colonial tenure.The British
were more pragmatic about how they went about this in part because they did not
have an inferiority complex towards the Baganda.The British had annexed
Buganda in the 1890s so it was obvious that between Buganda and the
British,the colonialists had an upper hand.
Milton Obote came from the Langi tribe who make up less than 5% of the Uganda
population.In his political party the UPC in the 1950s more powerful members
of the party like Grace Ibingira let Obote become head of the UPC because he
came from an insignificant tribe which had only two members in Parliament.
History was to show that the disdain the Ibingiras and even Baganda had for
Obote was misplaced because he managed to sideline all of them even if it
lasted only 5 years.
I am telling you these things so that you realize that right from 1966,there
were people including my goodself who have dedicated their lives to reversing
the tragic actions of your Uncle Milton Obote.The going has been bumpy but we
are winning my friend.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Moses Ocen Nekyon <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Bobby Musoke;
You are the one constantly complaining about 'Unitary,' which begs the simple
question: Why complain if it's "dying."
Please wake up from your dream!
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Bobby Musoke
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 07:32
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Moses Ocen,
Unitary is already there and dying.
It is the dying part that you are wishing does not take place.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:24 AM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Bobby Musoke;
Why would I wish for what is already there?
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Bobby Musoke
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 07:18
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Mr Moses Ocen,
Unitary is still in existence in Uganda as we speak but unless you are
blind,you would know it is on its last legs.
By wishful thinking I mean you are hoping against hope that unitary will not
die in Uganda.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Moses Ocen Nekyon <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Bobby Musoke;
"Wishful thinking?????"
I thought 'Unitary' is in existence as we speak?
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Bobby Musoke
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 06:25
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Mr Moses Ocen,
You have nothing besides wishful thinking to back up your statement.
You are standing on the wrong side of history on this issue.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:51 AM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Bobby Musoke;
Unitary is going nowhere.
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 03:27
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Kateregga
Can you put that in English kindly.
EM
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Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:17 AM
To: ugandans-at-heart
Subject: Re: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Nekyon, under the arrangement, the Kabaka becomes a titular head like the Queen
of England.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:30 PM, yowaana nyamutale <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Senoga'
Since when have ab'effumbe been exempted from prostrating before the kabaka.
Admit the fact Professor Nsibambi and other like him consider the culture of
prostrating in mud soiling their suits outdated. It is for takatakas.
Henry ford Miirima
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
wrote:
that's treason.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Bobby Musoke <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
Mr Moses Ocen,
You sound surprised by a call for a democratically elected government under
the Kabaka!
Buganda had this arrangement under the 1962 constitution so I cannot understand
what all this fuss is about.
My two cwnts worth is I can see no benefit in Buganda continuing to be part of
the failed state called unitary Uganda.
I would beg to differ with Prof Nsibambi and opt to secede from this useless
entity called unitary Uganda.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:04 PM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
"Nsibambi calls for one democratically elected government but under the Kabaka."
Huh?
Ocen
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From: Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:03
To: ugandans-at-heart; uganda-muslim-brothers-and-sisters
Reply To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: {UAH} NSIBAMBI'S BOOK LAUNCHED
Prof. Apolo Nsibambi writes a book, National Integration in Uganda 1962-2013,
published by Fountain Publishers, launched by Voice President Edward Ssekandi
this afternoon, price 30,000.
It is one of the best books dealing on contemporary Bugada, Northern and
Karamoja issues in Uganda.
However on Amin's role on integrating Buganda in Uganda, Nsibambi has forgotten
restoring traditional names like South Buganda and north Buganda provinces,
Buddu, Kyaggwe, Bulemeezi and Mmengo districts.
Nsibambi calls for one democratically elected government but under the Kabaka.
He blames Mmengo for rejecting Regional Governments. But the center should also
be blamed for not devolving power to other regions like Busoga and Bunyoro,
where kings demanded it, and Acholi and Lango where elders and politicians
demanded it.
Details will be in Sunday Bukedde.
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