Edward Pojim
Just for the record, I am offended by your defining me as a man that many times is not honest in what I post. Let me go back to what we argued on, for I very clearly remember it. The argument was never about the manufacturer of the missile. How would I argue about the manufacturer, and how would I argue that it was supplied by United States? Edward from day one, you and I knew that the air craft was brought down by a missile called a Bulk. All records we have Bulk is manufactured by Russia and not by United States. I am the only person that posted so many of these missiles as they were being stationed in the region and Obama was playing there is no Russia deployment in Ukraine, and I argued that allowing them to be in loose hands is going to make flying through that area catastrophic. What we argued on if you allow me to remind you sir before you ask me how I live with myself, was what rebels fired it. Or was the missile fired by the Ukraine government. There has never been any argument on who manufactured the missile. And let me take a second here now that you really go after me in such a twisted way. A failed Obama foreign policy, has reached in these countries, and collected every one with a weapon, and defining them as moderates. The people Obama defines as moderates, have connections across all boarders, so they are armed by The Chinese, they are armed by the Russians, they are armed by Koreans. And that is the result we got from his pulling out of Iraq that stupidly, every crap created its own base with its own support. Obama administration takes “The moderates” with their weapons that they have got from God knows whom. And among those weapons are the Bulks. So we knew that the air craft was taken down by a bulk, but we did not know what organization owned it and fired it. That is the very reason I asked this question, for from get go no one questioned what missile took the air craft down. Good Lord go back to the very original postings of the falling of the air craft, it was put down by a Bulk, a Russian made missile. How would I ever say that Obama supplied it? Does Obama supply Bulks? What we needed to know is who fired it, for knowing that individual, helps us understand if it was from the Obama moderates or from the Ukraine government which is again backed by Obama. Thus this investigation report is as useless as the administration in the entire European crap. A crap where so many people have died. President Obama has created such a carnage in the world that when you add only those that have died in Ukraine and Syria, only the two countries, without listing Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan, the dead pass the number of Jews that died under Hitler. I am going to post you a piece that was posted by Eric S. Margolis, this is one of the most respected reporters in this city, writing for papers like The Toronto Star, and he has a huge reputation of respect. This is what he is writing about the failure of the man you are preaching for. It is very sad that we have been forced to live under the Democrats that have killed this so many people, and we are not even done yet. You better trust me. If you are an investor buy shares in funeral homes for given the policies some of us see, of we need an Obama three administration, shares of funeral homes are going to go through the God damn roof. May God help me that my prediction only be wrong this time around. ============ <http://ericmargolis.com/2016/09/pentagon-and-cia-at-war-in-syria/> PENTAGON AND CIA AT WAR IN SYRIA by <http://ericmargolis.com/author/admin/> Eric Margolis What a mess! In the crazy Syrian war, US-backed and armed groups are fighting other US-backed rebel groups. How can this be? It is so because the Obama White House had stirred up war in Syria but then lost control of the process. When the US has a strong president, he can usually keep the military and intelligence agencies on a tight leash. But the Obama administration has had a weak secretary of defense and a bunch of lady strategists who are the worst military commanders since Louis XV, who put his mistress, Madame de Pompadour, in charge of French military forces during the Seven Year’s War. The French were routed by the Prussians. France’s foe, Frederick the Great of Prussia, named one of his dogs, ‘la Pompadour.’ As a result, the two arms of offensive US strategic power, the Pentagon and CIA, went separate ways in Syria. Growing competition between the US military and militarized CIA broke into the open in Syria. Fed up with the astounding incompetence of the White House, the US military launched and supported its own rebel groups in Syria, while CIA did the same. Fighting soon after erupted in Syria and Iraq between the US-backed groups. US Special Forces joined the fighting in Syria, Iraq and most lately, Libya. The well-publicized atrocities, like mass murders and decapitations, greatly embarrassed Washington, making it harder to portray their jihadi wildmen as liberators. The only thing exceptional about US policy in Syria was its astounding incompetence. Few can keep track of the 1,000 groups of jihadis that keep changing their names and shifting alliances. Throw in Turkomans, Yzidis, Armenians, Nestorians, Druze, Circassians, Alawis, Assyrians and Palestinians. Oh yes, and the Alevis. Meanwhile, ISIS was inflicting mayhem on Syria and Iraq. But who really is ISIS? A few thousand twenty-something hooligans with little knowledge of Islam but a burning desire to dynamite the existing order and a sharp media sense. The leadership of these turbaned anarchists appears to have formed in US prison camps in Afghanistan. The US, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey armed and financed ISIS as a weapon to unleash on Syria, which was an ally of Iran that refused to take orders from the Western powers. The west bears heavy responsibility for the deaths of 450,000 Syrians, at least half the nation of 23 million becoming refugees, and destruction of this once lovely country. At some point, ISIS shook off its western tutors and literally ran amok. But the US has not yet made a concerted attempt to crush ISIS because of its continuing usefulness in Syria and in the US, where ISIS has become the favorite whipping boy of politicians. Next come the Kurds, an ancient Indo-European stateless people spread across Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. They have been denied a national state by the western powers since WWI. Kurdish rebels in Iraq have been armed and financed by Israel since the 1970’s. When America’s Arab jihadists proved militarily feeble, the US turned to the Kurds, who are renowned fighters, arming and financing the Kurdish Syrian YPG which is part of the well-known PKK rebel group that fights Turkey. I covered the Turkish-Kurdish conflict in eastern Anatolia in the 1980’s in which some 40,000 died. Turkey is now again battling a rising wave of Kurdish attacks that caused the Turks to probe into northern Syria to prevent a link-up of advancing Kurdish rebel forces. So, Turkey, a key American ally, is now battling CIA-backed Kurdish groups in Syria. Eighty percent of Turks believe the recent failed coup in Turkey was mounted by the US – not the White House, but by the Pentagon which has always been joined at the hip to Turkey’s military. This major Turkish-Kurdish crisis was perfectly predictable, but the obtuse junior warriors of the Obama administration failed to grasp this point. Now the Russians have entered the fray in an effort to prevent their ally, Bashar Assad, from being overthrow by western powers. Also perfectly predictable. Russia claimed to be bombing ISIS but in fact is targeting US-backed groups. Washington is outraged that the wicked Russians are doing in the Mideast what the US has done for decades. The US and Russia now both claim to have killed a senior ISIS commander in an air strike. Their warplanes are dodging one another, creating a perfect scenario for a head-on clash at a time when neocons in the US are agitating for war with Russia. Does anyone think poor, demolished Syria is worth the price? Hatred for the US is now seething in Turkey and across the Mideast. Hundreds of millions of US tax dollars have been wasted in this cruel, pointless war. Time for the US to stop stirring this witch’s brew. Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2016 EM On the 49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy" Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko" From: 'Edward Pojim' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:39 PM To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {UAH} Investigators: Missile that Downed MH17 was Brought in from Russia Mr. Mulindwa; What are you saying now? I ask you to be honest here, because, as soon as this airliner went down, you embarked on the wild theory that it was US-backed rebels that had brought down the airliner, using US-supplied weaponry. You insisted that there were neither Russians not Ukrainian soldiers anywhere near the disaster site. For weeks, you strenuously argued that Russia was innocent. It was Ocen and I who countered with the argument that the rebels could not have been in possession of any weaponry that could reach more than 30,000 ft high, because US does not supply such weapons for fear of misuse against US airliners. Suddenly, you've forgotten everything you had said earlier, and now say the conclusion of this investigation is "no brainer!" How you live with yourself is unbelievable. Pojim On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:27 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulin...@look.ca <mailto:mulin...@look.ca> > wrote: Did anyone need an investigation to understand that the missile was Russian made? EM On the 49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy" Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko" From: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> [mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gwokto Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:40 PM To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com <mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com> Subject: {UAH} Investigators: Missile that Downed MH17 was Brought in from Russia Investigators: Missile that Downed MH17 was Brought in from Russia September 28, 2016 * VOA Staff _____ The reconstructed airplane serves as a backdrop during the presentation of the final report into the July 2014 crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, in Gilze Rijen, the Netherlands, October 13, 2015. Share * * * Print <http://www.voazimbabwe.com/a/prosecutors-to-announce-launch-location-of-rocket-that-downed-mh17/3528296.html#comments> See comments International investigators say a Malaysian airliner that crashed over eastern Ukraine in 2014 was shot down by a missile that was transported into Ukraine from Russia. The findings released Wednesday confirm an earlier investigation by the Dutch Safety Board that concluded Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was brought down by a Russian-made Buk missile, a claim Russia has denied. Investigators said there was convincing evidence the territory from which the missile was fired “was controlled by pro-Russian fighters.” WATCH: Relatives of victims react to findings 0:00:39 0:00:00/0:00:39 ▶ Direct link In a move aimed at preempting the new investigation findings, Russia on Wednesday said its radar data proved that no rocket was fired from within territory held by pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine. On a conference call with reporters, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russian radar identified all flying objects over the rebel territory, and there was no rocket. “The data are clear-cut...there is no rocket,” he said. “If there was a rocket, it could only have been fired from elsewhere.” The previous investigation identified a 320 square kilometer area where it said the rocket launch must have taken place. It did not explicitly say who had fired it, though all the land was controlled by separatists fighting Ukrainian forces. All 298 passengers on the plane died after it broke apart midair while traveling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Prosecutors were meeting with family members of those deceased Wednesday morning prior to the formal announcement of their findings. One of those family members, Robby Oehlers, whose niece Daisy was killed in the crash, told Reuters the investigation had identified 100 suspects and determined the rocket was launched from within rebel held territory. -- Gwokto La'Kitgum ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower -- Disclaimer:Everyone posting to this Forum bears the sole responsibility for any legal consequences of his or her postings, and hence statements and facts must be presented responsibly. 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