> Is the main purpose of traffic shaping not to relieve congestion in the 
> core/backhaul. To do this in the dslam would require it to know about packet 
> drop some way upstream from it. If the dslam is overcontended then it would 
> make sense to control traffic there but which is the greater problem?

fair point — but by the same token it doesn't follow necessarily to
move all of the traffic management into the core if backhaul is a
problem, to my uneducated eyes… depends where exactly the congestion's
occurring, as you say, especially if that means you're then reliant on
slightly “interesting” mechanisms in order to achieve it.

> Identify the congested links and identify the traffic type then either apply 
> queuing downstream of it (in the case of p2p) or utilise cdn to move popular 
> content closer to the eyeballs.

why “in the case of p2p”? what if a bunch of people are doing whacking
great HTTP or RTSP transfers that's causing overcontention? CDN only
helps in some scenarios, and has some “interesting” economic angles.

consider...

customer A has a P2P session (e.g., Spotify, or a multiplayer game)
consuming a modest amount of bandwidth.

customer B has an RTSP stream pulling a couple of megabits a second.

in times of contention, which one would get penalised?

> Or is the major slowdown in uk infrastructure happening at the edge with the 
> core running underutilised?

AIUI (and if anyone's got information to the contrary, I'd be glad to
hear it — this is a fishing expedition…), more-or-less… the edge is
harder/more expensive to beef up.

M.


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