I already do sometimes. VM have to put workarounds if we hairpin two circuits together (as in VPLS or so)
Darren www.mellowd.co.uk/ccie From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:16:39 +0000 CC: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [uknof] Virgin Demarc Boxes [Was: virgin media delivered leased line fibre service - their CPE and us, and expected speeds.] One day you'll be swearing at all those VLANs. Neil. Sent from my iPad On 12 Aug 2013, at 21:43, "Peter Knapp" <[email protected]> wrote: They won’t do it – or I haven’t managed to get them to. 10gig in <> 10gig out Sadly they won’t deliver (us) multiple gigs vlanned or not over a 10gig uplink. To be fair with a multi-site order recently the order built as 10gig uplink, and a slab of x rate on gigs and our VM provisioning guy went ahead and processed it – right until it came to network build when he was told to order a dozen bits of TH fibre and deliver them port to port. Thankfully I spotted this stupidity before they actually went and coughed up for the TH fibre and it was delivered vlanned over an existing 10 then. Sometimes they don’t have the brains they should have been borne with.. Peter Knapp T: 0113 294 66 99 F: 0113 273 00 58 E: [email protected] W: www.ccsleeds.co.uk Registered in England, # 350 7910 From: Darren O'Connor [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 August 2013 21:31 To: Ben King; Peter Knapp Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: [uknof] Virgin Demarc Boxes [Was: virgin media delivered leased line fibre service - their CPE and us, and expected speeds.] Perhaps I need to do more hassling... Our VM handoffs are pretty much all THE Checking the specsheet of the 6850 they do indeed have 2X10Gb ports. Even if they only wanted to hand 1Gb ports to us I'm surprised they aren't using a 10Gb interface back to their cabs. Possible cost of kit on that side? Thanks Darren www.mellowd.co.uk/ccie Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:20:15 +0100 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [uknof] Virgin Demarc Boxes [Was: virgin media delivered leased line fibre service - their CPE and us, and expected speeds.] Yeh I agree, we have them in Birmingham now, and manchester has been promised, however they won't do THE yet for us - sigh... On 12 August 2013 21:17, Peter Knapp <[email protected]> wrote: Darren. VM definitely do 10gig uplinks, but only on certain Metnets. They still go via a 6850 (two SFP+ ports on them, one for VM, one for us/you). We have them in THN, THE and off Leeds too (after some hassle and an upgrade their end) Hassle them! Peter Knapp T: 0113 294 66 99 F: 0113 273 00 58 E: [email protected] W: www.ccsleeds.co.uk Registered in England, # 350 7910 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Darren O'Connor Sent: 12 August 2013 21:05 To: Charlie Boisseau; [email protected] Subject: Re: [uknof] Virgin Demarc Boxes [Was: virgin media delivered leased line fibre service - their CPE and us, and expected speeds.] Virgin have given us (two so far) Alcatel 6850s which have 24 X Gig ports as mentioned. We use these for vlan based circuits so one physical port can hold 10 X100Mb links. We can pack quite lot of links into 1U We've asked VM for 10Gb uplinks before and they are still telling us not yet. IT would be ideal considering the amount of 1Gb uplinks we have with them. Darren www.mellowd.co.uk/ccie From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:38:08 +0000 Subject: [uknof] Virgin Demarc Boxes [Was: virgin media delivered leased line fibre service - their CPE and us, and expected speeds.] Sorry to change the subject a bit, but this thread has reminded me of something I thought I might ask: Some of our PoPs are filling up at an alarming rate with Virgin Alcatel demarc boxes that only have one or two ports used. This is mainly because we have a number of circuits that are on 1Gig bearers, and the Alcatel boxes only have two gigabit ports (one NNI and one UNI), so typically a 1G customer circuit will take up 1U of rackspace (nevermind a separate fibre cross connect to the Virgin ODF). Having said that, strangely we just had a new circuit installed into one of our PoPs that ended up terminating on a LightningEdge LE-311. At least that box has 4 gig ports - but it's an absolute monster compared to the Alcatel. The old Pandatel card+chassis based solution was a lot better suited to gigabit circuits, because you could get 15 or 16 cards in a 4U chassis (much like Openreach EADs), but unfortunately Virgin don't offer this anymore. We've suggested they give us a Transmode box, but I think they only deploy those for wavelength services, and wouldn't want to waste them on Ethernet circuits (despite the volume of circuits we give them). - Does anyone know of any other EDDs Virgin have been known to use that might have 10G uplink? - Does anyone take L2 services from Virgin on a VLAN based delivery? I know they do this, but I wonder if it's just going to have the same density issues? Any shared experiences here would be helpful in our 'guided suggestions' to our Virgin account manager! Thanks, C -- Charlie Boisseau Fluency Communications Ltd. e. [email protected] w. http://fluency.net.uk/ t. 0845 874 7000 Fluency Communications Ltd. is part of the Commsworld Group. 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Odd they can't use the SPF port on the Cisco as that cpe has three gig interface on board. yes, just a regular business service They would always use an Alcatel box as the NTU currently, agreed there is some level of madness but it's the way they do things I believe for monitoring (?!). They moved to Alcatel a few years back and had some fun with learning how to commission, this was after 3-4 years of Lightning Edge. For MIA if they use BGP multihop they often put an ME3[4|6|8]00 switch in the way as well as the Alcatel, for lesser bandwidth's it's Alcatel + generally Cisco 2900 ish Cheers Chris website: www.knowledgeit.co.uk | blog: www.knowledgeit.co.uk/blog | twitter: @KnowledgeITUK Knowledge Limited, Company Registration: 1554385 Registered Office: New Century House, Crowther Road, Washington, Tyne & Wear. NE38 0AQ Leeds Office: Viscount Court, Leeds Road, Rothwell, Leeds. LS26 0GR Tel: 0845 142 0020. 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