Just to answer alistair's queation. I have tested cisco 897va and can confirm that qinq is supported on the vdsl ethernet interface. I now have a live site on 897va without BTOR modem with multiple vlans qinqed.
Regards, Mehar > On 10 Feb 2016, at 01:13, [email protected] wrote: > > Send uknof mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uknof > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of uknof digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FTTC Wires only (Charlie Boisseau) > 2. Re: FTTC Wires only (Neil J. McRae) > 3. Re: FTTC Wires only (Tom Hill) > 4. Re: FTTC Wires only (Darren Brown) > 5. Re: FTTC Wires only (Colton Conor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:00:04 +0000 > From: Charlie Boisseau <[email protected]> > To: UKNOF <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi All, > > Just a useful piece of info - I just spoke to my account manager at TalkTalk > Business about what they plan to do for their EoFTTC product. I queried how > they were going to present us the requisite RJ45 port as per their product > description. They tell me they have successfully put the Comtrend VR-3030 > through OR testing/approval. It?s cheap and cheerful but apparently supports > all the things they need it to (such as QinQ). > > http://us.comtrend.com/products/public/product/service-provider/vr-3030.html > > As they have been successfully passed for one CP, I imagine getting them > passed for others would be straightforward. Alternatively, as TalkTalk have > full national coverage (they have committed to being on-net everywhere > Openreach rollout by no later than 8 weeks), a solution for this would be to > just put your FTTC business through TT and just use this device (seeing as > it?s been approved for use on TT lines). > > Incidentally, TT are doing great deals at the moment trying to push more > DSL/FTTC business. As you may be aware, they offer an L2TP variant of their > FTTC product which they don?t charge backhaul bandwidth on. It?s not a > million miles from BTW tail prices, but without the exorbitant backhaul > costs. Should be available on SMPF soon. > > C > > > > Charlie Boisseau > Fluency Communications > (Commsworld Ltd T/A) > > T: +44 (0) 330 121 1000 > Twitter: @charlieboisseau > www.fluency.net.uk > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:29:34 +0000 > From: "Neil J. McRae" <[email protected]> > To: Robin Williams <[email protected]> > Cc: UKNOF <[email protected]>, Alistair C <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hoping to come back with something shortly. Not quite fully baked yet. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 13 Jan 2016, at 16:53, Robin Williams > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > There was a thread on UKNOF on the modem withdrawl back in Sept too, where > Neil said he might come back with some further info, but I don't think I've > seen any since unless I missed it. I think the consensus was that it'd be > nice if the Openreach modem could continue to be offered as an order option. > > https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/private/uknof/2015-September/003927.html > > Cheers, > Robin. > > > > On 13/01/16 10:43, Alistair C wrote: > Hello, > > BT stocks of FTTC VDSL2 modems are already scarce in some BT Openreach > engineering circles and we have had recent installs where the engineers have > not supplied a modem, despite their contract to supply with new installs > until 'March' and then support till 2017. > > Please excuse the below as it is may be more suited to Cisco-NSP (we utilise > Cisco CPE for our CE devices); > > This appears to have thrown up an interesting problem in so far that turning > to integrated devices such as the Cisco 887VA-M or Cisco 897 which are > "approved and certified for use with BT GEA/FTTC and compliant with SIN498", > do not appear to support q-in-q across the VDSL ethernet interface. > > The configuration examples I have reviewed and limited testing carried out > thus far show VLAN 101 tagged on the VDSL ethernet interface as per the BT > SIN requirement but there is an inability to tunnel additional VLANS across > this interface/VLAN cleanly, which is a requirement for the service we > provide. > > I have raised the issue with Cisco to see if there is a work around or > something obvious with regards to configuration that I am missing but this > has not turned up anything positive so far. > > In the event that Cisco CPE cannot meet our requirements (without having to > resort to hacky work arounds) I am also investigating obtaining a supply of > VDSL2 modems but this is also proving challenging with ECI quoting a high > minimum order quantity and Huawei unable to supply due to the Echolife HG612 > being 'EOL'. > > Anyone out there trunking multiple VLANs to a CE over FTTC, in a similar > position? > > Thanks. > > -- > Alistair Cockeram > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/private/uknof/attachments/20160209/27abaffd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:31:42 +0000 > From: Tom Hill <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > >> On 09/02/16 17:00, Charlie Boisseau wrote: >> They tell me they have successfully put the Comtrend VR-3030 >> through OR testing/approval. It?s cheap and cheerful but >> apparently supports all the things they need it to (such as QinQ). > > "RJ-45 x 1 for LAN, (10/100 BaseT auto-sense)" > > Do correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Openreach VDSL2 product > capable of syncing >100Mbit when vectoring is enabled? > > Some older reports suggest 100-120Mbit syncs, but newer articles seem > to focus more on it being used to get more lines closer to 80Mbit. > > I also wonder (as it isn't mentioned on the product page) as to > whether that 100Mbit port also supports baby jumbos, for PPPoE support > without resorting to a 1492b MTU. You'd hope so, but... > > - -- > Tom Hill > Network Engineer > > Bytemark Hosting > http://www.bytemark.co.uk/ > tel. +44 1904 890 890 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWuiJ+AAoJEH2fKbrp2sQ6HVQIAIau6uOaKjX/5+dOH7Jk/f08 > lwRLlSQ46cD1YgxAdqMsTEB9i9KdUq/40HJ0k6+6NG9pFsRgd6v6oTEYNmVyomuc > Llf7L0mEcEFkBotiaw+G6x2cqvAOOQabbcsdxvaaNg6PX7IsdawzbUmDlNiD9HCL > FIAD3ArxZMs6jBaHam6aw1jU96nOWyIPtuWfnyRjWQGv4MPIFsbRGOj75t6+17vP > 2lmkxYWb4fpfxw+BDgEYRFpmc+JVnV4w6hvKfH6aLi6vfaTFwCSE+Xi8KeJy0NTm > AZeKnBjqQZX2DqdT5vll3QltahXthH5/8R+Jrlx+PWcNmKrCSkTxByu0AqX3z9M= > =uty2 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:44:00 +0000 > From: Darren Brown <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello all, > > I have been in contact with ECI to try and get a definitive price, this is > the response i have now had; > > The lead time is 20 weeks ! > > 1: Can we purchase them ? > A: Yes > > 2: What would be the minimum quantity ? > A:10000 > > 3: How much would they cost ? > A: ?39.00 > > It would also be useful to know if BT are dropping these units for technical > reasons or purely because they don't wish to supply / support them any longer > . > > A: There are no technical reason they are using their home hub 5 as their > VDSL modem . > > > I think, considering the minimum quantity, these are not going to be cost > effective. > > Regards > Darren Brown > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:13:09 -0600 > From: Colton Conor <[email protected]> > To: Darren Brown <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [uknof] FTTC Wires only > Message-ID: > <camddszpsjg9m0drtotmsm3vqk3qmmzeof7rhogfej9wejrd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > So does openreach only allow specific VDSL2 modems on their network? If so, > what modems do they allow? > > I am in the USA, and we deploy our own DSLAMs and modems. There are tons of > VDSL2 modem manfactures to choose from, and none of them have the crazy > MOQs that ECI is stating. > >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Darren Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I have been in contact with ECI to try and get a definitive price, this is >> the response i have now had; >> >> The lead time is 20 weeks ! >> >> 1: Can we purchase them ? >> A: Yes >> >> 2: What would be the minimum quantity ? >> A:10000 >> >> 3: How much would they cost ? >> A: ?39.00 >> >> It would also be useful to know if BT are dropping these units for >> technical reasons or purely because they don't wish to supply / support >> them any longer . >> >> A: There are no technical reason they are using their home hub 5 as their >> VDSL modem . >> >> >> I think, considering the minimum quantity, these are not going to be cost >> effective. >> >> Regards >> Darren Brown > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/private/uknof/attachments/20160209/db1d4355/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > uknof mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uknof > > ------------------------------ > > End of uknof Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5 > ************************************
