On 7/27/21 22:48, William Hilsum wrote:

I’ve gone over this a few times and it is really hard to write without going salesy and that is not the direction I want to push this. Most documents I have come from vendors that favour a few metrics that they excel at. I will try to keep this generic:

We’ve seen SONIC come from Microsoft and similar solutions from other hyperscalers… All the network vendors seem to be moving to using the same few chips and differentiating themselves with support/RMA/software features rather than the raw hardware itself.

As for “Do ISPs need full feature top end vendor kit?” – it’s a hard one… I know “ISPs” that run entirely on Mikrotik/Ubiquiti and terminate a few 1Gb leased lines and I know some that run on ancient EoL Cisco bits… Each to their own! In my mind, the answer is that it depends on the requirements and I would be shocked if you can’t get better density and performance at a significantly reduced price when going for (any vendor) that utilises Jericho 2 (if comparing against new – not second hand/EOL ASR 9006).

For the density and performance – Jericho switches have it. For BGP – I haven’t heard of a problem with convergence yes and L2/L3 tunnels are not a requirement I’ve personally dealt with – usually I get involved with companies that terminate those away from core.

Please note, I’m not comparing against MX480 which I don’t have personal experience with other than an online spec sheet… From Juniper I only know the MX204 and their switching range. When looking at a certain Jericho based vendor for a job I’m working on now, the only metric that seemed to have a big difference maximum routes which came out at ~2M on the MX204 and ~1.25M in the other vendor which the client said “was more than enough for our needs for the foreseeable future”


If your business model, I feel, is biased more toward hauling bits around, no frills, then you'd be foolish not to consider the Broadcom-based platforms from a number of vendors.

If your business model is so-called "high-touch", and servicing Enterprise-type customers who want the kitchen sink, then you are very likely to run into silicon problems on the cheaper options.

Mark.

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