At 12:53 11/17/2002, Doug Ewell wrote:
I'll only add to Doug's comments that it has become acceptable to place the grave accent on the right side of the circumflex (one sees this a lot in the signage of Vietnamese restaurants), but the traditional position on the left is better.Adam Twardoch <list dot adam at twardoch dot com> wrote:> I'm looking for reference/guidelines on positioning of Vietnamese > diacritics. Any hints? The basic guideline is that the acute accent (tone mark) should kern to the right of an accompanying circumflex accent, and the grave accent (tone mark) should kern to the left of the circumflex. They should not simply be placed above the circumflex. Also, the "hook above" tone mark should kern to the right of the circumflex.
Also, the design of the grave and acute accents that combine with the circumflex can be designed in a special way, typically shorter than the normal grave and acute, so as to take up less space (preventing collisions with nearby ascenders). I sometimes slice the lower tip of the grave and acute parallel to the angle of the circumflex, to permit the maximum amount of space between the accents, but this may be idiosyncratic.
Correct. In combination with breve, the tone marks sit directly above, with the lower tip of the grave, acute and hook dipping into the bowl of the breve.Other combinations of accent + tone mark don't generally get in each other's way, so they don't pose any special design problems.
Adam, I'll send you some examples.
John Hudson
Tiro Typeworks www.tiro.com
Vancouver, BC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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