On 05/01/2004 10:17, Philippe Verdy wrote:

...

Can we leave OI/gha out of this? ...



Certainly, but that's not me who suggested to unify the "i with bottom right hook" as a variant of "oi/gha". In fact if you read what I read, I have exactly said the opposite, because I have always thought that "oi/gha" was a variant of "g" and not of "i"...



Just for clarification, I didn't either. The first message in which the concept was mentioned was Philippe saying that he did not suggest this.


Look at the summary of sounds with "similar" glyphs I posted early, then
this is very clear... This summary was needed because the GIF posted by
Peter was not found in the list (Peter just posted a plain-text description,
but the table he created was not usable as all the column formatting was
lost from his post...)



Sorry about this. I will try to recover the formatting. The following may work, if viewed with a fixed width font:


Approx
IPA   1923-  1933-   1958-   1992-
sound 1933   1938    1991

É A a A a Ð Ð A a
Ã Æ É Æ É Ó Ó Æ É
b B b B b Ð Ð B b
Ê Ã Ã C c Ð Ñ Ã Ã
d D d D d Ð Ð D d
e E e E e Ð Ð E e
f F f F f Ð Ñ F f
É Æ Æ G g Ò Ò G g
Ê G g Æ Æ Ò Ò Ä Ä
h H h H h Ò Ò H h
i I i I i Ð Ð Ä i
É * Æ Æ Ð Ñ I Ä
Ê C c Ã Ã Ò Ò C c
c (q) Q q K k Ð Ð K k
Ï X x X x Ð Ñ X x
l L l L l Ð Ð L l
m M m M m Ð Ð M m
n N n N n Ð Ð N n
Å Å Å Å Å o O o O o Ð Ð O o
Ã Æ É Æ É Ó Ó Ã Ã
p P p P p Ð Ð P p
É K k Q q Ð Ð Q q
É R r R r Ð Ñ R r
s S s S s Ð Ñ S s
Ê Æ Ê Å Å Ð Ñ Å Å
t T t T t Ð Ñ T t
u Y y U u Ð Ñ U u
y U u Y y Ò Ò Ã Ã
v V v V v Ð Ð V v
j J j J j Ð Ñ Y y
z Z z Z z Ð Ð Z z
Ê Æ Æ Æ Æ Ð Ð J j
Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê


* This is the unencoded "dotless i with retroflex hook".

Instead Peter could post a URL to his interesting Azeri alphabets which
compares the transliteration schemes that occured in different reforms from
Arabic to Latin then Cyrillic then agains Latin.



Unfortunately this table is not on line.

--
Peter Kirk
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