On 1/6/2016 3:27 PM, Shawn Steele wrote:
Then it should be UTF-8. Learning to do something in a non-Unicode
code page and then redoing it for UTF-8 or UTF-16 merely leads to
conversion problems, incompatibilities, and other nonsense.
Agreed.
But so does teaching people that it's OK to use ASCII-fallbacks, because
a few of their characters are not available on the bunny slope.
If someone “needs” to not use UTF-16 for whatever reason, then they
should use UTF-8. The “advanced” training should be the other
non-Unicode code pages.
I think any training in non-Unicode character sets is beyond a standard
curriculum, except perhaps History of Computing or Digital Archaeology :)
Teach them right the first time. They’ll never use a code page.
+1
A./
-Shawn
*From:*Unicode [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Asmus Freytag (t)
*Sent:* January 6, 2016 3:19 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Unicode in the Curriculum?
On 1/6/2016 10:59 AM, Shawn Steele wrote:
+1 :)
I'm not going to join the happy chorus here.
The "bunny" slope for most people is their own native language...
A./
-----Original Message-----
From: Unicode [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Whistler
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:44 AM
To: Andre Schappo<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
Cc:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Unicode in the Curriculum?
Actually, ASCII should *not* be ignored or deprecated.
We *love* ASCII. The issue is just making sure that students understand that the *true name* of
"ASCII" is "UTF-8". It is just the very first 128 values that open into the
entire world of Unicode characters.
It is a mind trick to play on young programmers: when you learn "ASCII",
you are just playing on the bunny slope at the UTF-8 ski resort. Slap on your snowboard
and practice -- get out there onto the 2-, 3- and 4-byte slopes with the experts!
--Ken
On 1/6/2016 4:09 AM, Andre Schappo wrote:
On 4 Jan 2016, at 16:59, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote:
ASCII shouldn't be taught, perhaps?
I really like the idea of questioning whether or not ASCII should even
be taught.
Wherever in a programming curriculum, text
processing/transmission/storage/presentation/encoding is taught, then it should
be Unicode text.
ASCII, along with, ISO-8859 ISO-2022 GB2312 .etc. should be consigned
to
.and finally, the legacy character sets/encodings...
Maybe ASCII should now be flagged as deprecated
https://twitter.com/andreschappo/status/684706421712228352
André Schappo
