No, the patterns should always have the right format. However, in the
supplemental data there is information as to the preferred data for each
language. This data isn't collected through the ST, so a ticket needs to be
filed.

In your particular case, the data has:

<hours
 preferred="H"
 allowed="H hB"
 regions="AD AM AO AT AW BE BF BJ BL BR CG CI CV DE EE FR GA GF GN GP GW HR
IL IT KZ MC MD MF MQ MZ NC NL PM PT RE RO SI SM SR ST TG TR WF YT"/>

If DE just doesn't use hB, then you can file a ticket to say that it
shouldn't be in @allowed.

Note that the format permits either regions or locales, as in:

<hours
 preferred="H"
 allowed="H h hB"
 regions="CF CM LU NP PF SC SN TF ca_ES gl_ES"/>


As to involvement, we try to encourage interaction on the forum. In some
languages those are quite active; in others not so much. (BTW, a number of
your suggestions made sense to me, but not being a native German speaker, I
don't weigh in on de.xml except for structural issues or where people seem
to miss the intent.) So people may look at the forum, disagree with the
proposal, but not respond why they disagree.



Mark

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Christoph Päper via Unicode <
unicode@unicode.org> wrote:

> F'up2: cldr-us...@unicode.org
>
> Doug Ewell via unicode@unicode.org:
> >
> > I think that is a measurement of locale coverage -- whether the
> > collation tables and translations of "a.m." and "p.m." and "a week ago
> > Thursday" are correct and verified -- not character coverage.
>
> By the way, the binary `am` vs. `pm` distinction common in English and
> labelled `a` as a placeholder in CLDR formats is too simplistic for some
> languages when using the 12-hour clock (which they usually don't in written
> language). In German, for instance, you would always use a format with `B`
> instead (i.e. "morgens", "mittags", "abends", "nachts" or no identifier
> during daylight).
>
> How and where can I best suggest to change this in CLDR? The B formats
> have their own code, e.g. `Bhms` = `h:mm:ss B`. Should I just propose to
> set `hms` etc. to the same value next time the Survey Tool is open?
>
> In my experience, there are too few people reviewing even the "largest"
> languages (like German). I participated in v32 and v33, but other than me
> there were only contributions from (seemingly) a single employee from each
> of Apple, Google and Microsoft. Most improvements or corrections I
> suggested just got lost, i.e. nobody discussed or voted on them, so the old
> values remained.
>

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