I agree that criticism is vital to the process. Your point is valid there. But
there is a difference between intelligent criticism and some of the things I
read on this list or hear on CNN.

I agree also with your that both candidates being deeply flawed. White males
with Yale degrees and wealthy families and/or spouses--well that's all we have
to choose from.
--
Sharon Nicolary


Quoting Jonathan Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

"Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler."

That wasn't my point. My point was that a popular leader -- and Bush appears
to have won the popular vote -- is not necessarily a good, worthy leader.  I
think the emerging flaw in our democratic process is that the process itself
is causing this country to have to consistently choose between two deeply
flawed candidates.

"I would get the hell out and stop talking about it."

That sounds a lot like "America -- love it or leave it," a narrow-minded
view that fails, nay refuses, to understand that criticism in vital to the
democratic process.

Jonathan A. Cass
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Nicolary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:09 AM
To: Jonathan Cass
Cc: 'Samuel Nicolary'; 'Dan Myers'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [UC] Bush Victory


Hitler? Oh so now Bush is Hitler. That's an intelligent thing to say.

If I were you and I believed that, I would get the hell out and stop talking
about it.

Sharon

Quoting Jonathan Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

It is not the democratic process that is pathetic, it is the people who
are
engaging in the democratic process. Remember, Hitler was very popular for
a
period of time too.

As to the Slate article, I don't see John Edwards as being a particularly
strong candidate- what did he bring to the ticket for Kerry?

Jonathan A. Cass
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:17 AM
To: Dan Myers
Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory


On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Myers wrote:

Anybody up for a mass move to Canada?

I am utterly disgusted....I thought this country knew what was good for
them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by
having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount.
Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid
cynicism.

Dan Myers

Why is the democratic process pathetic simply because the majority of americans disagreed with you or I? If it had gone the other way you wouldn't be saying the same thing by why would it be any less pathetic to you? Simply because your side won? The same statement you made would be coming from the mouths of the republicans.

"vision of the annointed" ?

I will mark this up to misguided disappointment.  It would serve this
country and its inhabitants considerably if all sides had some respect for
the democratic process even if their candidate didn't win.  This shortage
of tolerance for opposing viewpoints is precisely why the majority of
inhabitants of our country will never evolve beyond the state of being
easily manipulated party goons.

--
Sam Nicolary

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Subject: [UC] Bush Victory


> The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal
with
> the
> mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will
> likely
> occur on his watch.
>
> I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the
Supreme
> Court.
>
> I think I am going to puke.
>
> Jonathan A. Cass
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> Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office.
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