Hello
Thanks for this history.
Its a reminder that insults are
not needed to make a point :)
-Mark
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From: Wilma de Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jan 11, 2005 8:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: PFSNI listserv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
UnivCity listserv <[email protected]>
Subject: [UC] Re: We Are All Human and make Mistakes
My apologies for the rather lengthy post.
With regard to the UC Listserv, I would like to say a couple of things.
First of all ten years and a bit more ago, I was Co-Chair of the Spruce Hill
Membership during the time when Patrick Starr was SHCA's President.
Nick Sanders (then Treasurer) and I began to organize the Membership List by
way of e-mail.
Nick suggested that it would be wonderful if Spruce Hill Members and
especially Officers could communicate by e-mail to expedite organizational
affairs.
So we began a Spruce Hill E-mail list where primarily Officers of the Board
of Spruce Hill and others in the organization who had e-mail and Internet
access, (which was not as plentiful in 1994 as it is now.) could tend to
community business. Some of my family members were on the "Internet" during
the early 70's (Hackers all) and I am sure Bill Magill could attest to the
fact that there was an Internet (then known by another name) before the
"masses" had access.
The SHCA e-mail list later was expanded to LibertyNet where SHCA was
launching a website to promote their proposal for a Spruce Hill Historical
District.
Thereafter, I am not quite sure how the UC List came metamorphosed from the
SHCA e-mail list except that Sharrieff Ali, reported earlier that SHCA
formed an Internet Committee and Jeff Abramson (member of said committee)
sponsored the listserv and put it on purple.com.
It is impossible for us now to conceive that during the 90's most people did
not have the now ubiquitous personal computers (no laptops then, either) and
access to The Internet. Even I had a "Bag Cell Phone" in my car during the
early 90's and in 1997 switched to one of the first Motorola "Flip Phones"
which now looks like a .357 Magnum.
Kids have grown up since then who were never without computers and those of
us who think of this as only 10 or 15 years ago (it was) often do not
realize that people who are now of age and older do not recall when one
wrote letters, or even knows how to do so. They played Middle School and
even High School pranks via the Web and have known no other world.
Even WE have to admit that a community listserv is now considered a
high-tech version of "The Backyard Clothesline and Fence" and not a PSA
(Public Service Announcement) forum at all times.
Therefore, I feel it is up to those of us who have been raised to be
socialized differently (person-person) to perhaps chastise those who step
over the bounds of social and Internet etiquette without resorting to the
same means of personal put-downs that they may use.
After all, new generations and the technology they grow up with are now even
quicker than the traditional true generational progression that we have
always known.
Show patience and go easy on offenders and show them the way without telling
them to "get a life". One may never know whether or not they may help you
along in our rapidly changing world of technology.
Regards,
Wilma
On 1/11/05 3:56 PM, "William H. Magill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11 Jan, 2005, at 08:37, Jennifer Horner wrote:
>> I agree completely with Lauren - the univ city listserve has devolved
>> into a small group of frequent posters sharing in-jokes, with only an
>> occasional (maybe once a week) useful announcement or discussion.� The
>> traffic was too much (even when I siphoned it into a separate box) --
>> I unsubscribed and now rely on pfsni for local info. There is a
>> "culture" listserve ([email protected]) to which I also
>> subscribe but it doesn't appear to be used that much -- I can't
>> remember how I got on it but maybe someone could share the information
>> with the Penn Alexander rep
>
> The PFSNI mailing list is not and never was a "community" listserv.
>
> It was created as a means for the ORGANIZATION called PFSNI (which has
> not had an existence for many, many years -- the last steering
> committee meeting was in 2000) to communicate amongst its membership.
>
> PFSNI = Penn Faculty and Staff for Neighborhood Interests.
> http://www.pfsni.org/pfsniwhat.html
> "Its goal is to help the University focus and apply its considerable
> resources to preserve and sustain these neighborhoods for generations
> of Penn people to come."
>
> The PFSNI webserver was moved off the main Penn Web
> (www.upenn.edu/pfsni is now a re-direct to www.pfsni.org) server
> several years ago because there was no organization on campus to
> support it. [And in fact, the website hasn't been updated for many
> years, including the [EMAIL PROTECTED] directory, whose entries are pitifully
> obsolete.]
>
> While it is true that today, the membership of the mailing list is
> dominated by non-University individuals, that is not why the list
> exists, but that IS why nobody posts to the list anymore. Yes, traffic
> on the PFSNI list is very low -- simply because it really is obsolete.
>
> Before my retirement in 2002, I tried numerous times to resurrect the
> organization as a viable entity. However, the closest we ever got was
> the April 2000 meeting -- those drafted by-laws were never ratified as
> no further meeting was ever held, even of the Steering Committee.
>
> Today, PFSNI exists solely as a mailing list; solely because once
> something appears on the Internet, it never dies; List maintenance is
> automated.
>
> To subscribe to one or more of the various lists associated with
> University City see:
>
> https://list.purple.com/purple-bin/majordomo
> ^
> NOTE: | [https, not http]
>
> Enter your email address, select browse "all" and click "go."
>
> "UnivCity-Announce" is, or at least was, cross posted to "UnivCity".
>
> T.T.F.N.
> William H. Magill
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