My only vexation with your statement is that I grew up in Philadelphia. When we heard that people could go to Gino's (which was the first to have KFC here AND the Gino Giant preceded the Big Mac), Mc Donald's, Burger King, Pizza Hut and the like, that was in suburban/rural settings that were not available to us in the inner city.
Therefore, I grew up on hoagie shops, pizzerias and the like featuring Neapolitan, Abruzzi and Sicilian pizzas, tomato pies, garlic pizzas, etc. Real Italian hoagies made on locally baked Italian bread; cheesesteak sandwiches, where people used to take a brisket or a hunk of rib-eye and slice it on a electric slice machine (before Minute Steaks�) and fry it up etc. Please let's not forget real Jewish delis with seeded rye bread, corned beef, spiced beef, pickled herring, whitefish salad and Nova, etc. Pickles and green tomatoes from an actual wooden barrel and Halvah� Umm-mm! Italian delis as well. Whenever we got to eat what people ate in the suburbs (as advertised on TV), we thought it was nasty! When I went to Oberlin College in the '70's I had my first Pizza Hut pizza and my LAST! It was incredible to me that people actually thought THAT could pass as pizza. Even potato chips! I NEVER ate Lays� or Ruffles� until I went to college. There were and are still are SO many varieties of local potato chips here that I assumed everyone had access to them. NOT!!. So, I guess mom-and-pop was what I knew best. In fact, I STILL look for those sort of establishments. (They are still here) Kindly do not belittle them. I do understand that many Penn student's experiences in their home areas of the country are not the same as mine, so there is room in the market for the non-home food to which they are accustomed. Regards, Wilma On 4/19/05 3:39 PM, "Dan Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I > frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some "fast > food" chains that international and national students are accustomed to. > Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn > wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for a > quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting. > > As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's and > Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He was > having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses around. > Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle > income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what you'll do > with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification will be here at > last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs to be a equal amount > (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of restaurants. And the fact > is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King, Wendy's, White Castle, > Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, > or other common fast food place you can normally find anywhere else but in > the immediate University City District. So I actually support some other > options that students can go to. > > I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to voice > it even if it doesn't match yours. > > Dan Myers > 215.901.0899 > Certified Massage Practitioner > ----------------------------------------------- > "Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace > life as it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, > making peace with disintegration, and loving whatever we face." > -Rachel Harris, MD > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM > Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary > > >> Who cares about "the element"? If anyone would care, it would be the >> university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of >> attracting "the element." I'm totally grossed out by the idea of those >> food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery -- >> KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous. But more importantly, >> THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university >> should realize that students with little time and money will go there as >> the path of least resistance. The leadership owes it to their own >> student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting up >> a liquor store next to an AA clinic. Jeez. I can't get over it. You >> would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image - >> I mean, what do they have on Walnut now? A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a >> Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised >> stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50. Am I wrong in thinking that >> a college town should have, god forbid, character? I'm going to cut and >> paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP. >> >> P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!). >> >> >> ELISABETH DUBIN >> Hillier ARCHITECTURE >> One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 | F >> 215 636-9989 | hillier.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull >> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:09 AM >> To: Ben; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary >> >> It might be that they are not as upscale and might invite the "element" >> Thats my guess >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Apr 19, 2005 8:59 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary >> >> At 08:01 AM 4/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Today's DP has an article about what's going into the commercial space >>> at 34th & Walnut to replace the Moravian cafe etc. IM(not so)HO, it's >>> either a sad commentary on the penn Administration for thinking this is >> >>> the way to serve the University and surrounding Communites, or a sad >>> commentary on the University and surrounding communities for this being >> >>> what they actually want. >> >> I must be sad because I'm happy about the choices of what is moving in. >> While I've never been to Quiznos, I'm happy to see some of the fast food >> I enjoy eating being in the area. The KFC at 45th and market is scary >> and the one on Broad & whatever isn't the best. I frequent the T-Bell >> on City line which is nice but I'm happy not to have to drive that far >> when I'm craving these places. While these aren't places I say I go to >> often, it's nice to have them close. >> >> What is the issue you have with them? >> >> -Ben >> >> ---- >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named >> "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >> >> ---- >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named >> "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. >> >> >> >> ---- >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > > ---- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." 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