Bruce..what are you..a bully? You continue to make references
to me on this list trying to goat me into an argument or somehow
insinuate that I am watching everyone's post, well..you are wrong
again. You have already embarrassed yourself through your private
post to me and your past list references to me so I suggest the
following:
Simply said...Don't make references to me at all.
That is all I am going to say for now..no need for a reply..just stop.
Here is a web-site you will probably enjoy:
www.moveon.org
Best!
S.
-----Original Message-----
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *B Andersen
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:47 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [UC] We're Paying This Loopy Bryn Mawr Student $180,000???
Look, we know that Ross won't make any apologies for his seemingly
insensitive remarks. What surprises me is that the listserve sherriff hasn't
called him to the carpet for posting non-UC related topics to the UC list.
This whole saga is a story of bad judgement all around, and is a good
example of how draconian our law enforcement can be. The student in question
may have made a silly choice by putting the stuff in her baggage, but it's
pretty clear that law enforcement over reacted and got their facts wrong.
Was she targeted because she was Asian, maybe. Did she get different
treatment afterwards than others may have because of who she was, probably
... but that's all speculation.
In Philadelphia, we tolerate poor political leadership and management -
and this is just another example of how it comes back to haunt us.
On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Please keep on trying to mold your assumptions into a logical point.
> So now you're saying flour filled condoms should have been erroneously
> ID'ed as bomb materials if she perhaps was wearing a head covering and
> looked "Arab?" And that if that were the case, you'd criticize her for
> being so stupid as to cause officials to make a mistake. Oh, and by the
> way, David Oh is not some tall building fat cat lawyer. In fact, he lives
> more in Craig's territory than UC.
>
> And please don't forget Wen Ho Lee, who's eyes and lawyers did not
> suffice to keep him out of isolation, without bail, as a bona fide national
> security threat for nothing. It was pretty apparent that his being Asian
> was a key piece of evidence against him.
>
> And did you note the equally off base comment to the blog saying the
> inflexible city solicitor would not settle anytime soon? So did that person
> retract?
>
> To be on target, you have to go after the city first, really.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [UC] We're Paying This Loopy Bryn Mawr Student $180,000???
>
> She is of the Asian persuasion -- (see story below). My point is and
> was that if she had looked anything like an Arab, Homeland Security would
> have whisked her off to Gitmo without further ado. The issue was not so
> much that she might have been carrying drugs as that she might have been
> carrying bomb materials. But those hotsy-totsy princesses with the
> Mongolian eyefolds and expensive lawyers who go to Bryn Mawr get special
> treatment. I still say she should apologize and give back the money. "Stress
> bag" and "hall tea" my ass.
> December 29, 2005
> A Philadelphia Story posted by Dave Hoffman
> [image: airlinetoy6.jpg]
> This story <http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13504147.htm>from the
> Philadelphia Inquirer caught my eye. (And gave me an opportunity to steal a
> picture from Dan's airline screening playset post.) Janet Lee, a Bryn
> Mawr student, was on her way home from the holidays. At the Philadelphia
> Int'l Airport, she was arrested because her checked bags contained
> condoms full of flour, which the police mistakenly identified in two field
> tests as cocaine and amphetamines. According to Lee, she and hall-mates had
> created the bags as stress balls as an exam-time gag. The system held Lee in
> jail for three weeks on $500,000 bail:
>
> Lee acted tough to protect herself. She did modern-dance moves to keep
> limber. Inmates saw this and gossiped: "Everyone thought I knew karate
> because I'm Asian." She certainly didn't discourage the stereotype. Inmates
> saw the high volume of visitors and figured she was important. Again, she
> did not discourage the notion. She did not tell her cell mates that the
> visitors were actually volunteers from Catholic churches in Philadelphia who
> had taken up her cause.
> The volunteers helped her hire [a lawyer, and former prosecutor, named
> David] Oh.
> "I believed her story because things just didn't add up," Oh said. For
> one thing, Oh said, the field tests were odd because they detected the
> presence of not one drug but three.
> "People don't mix drugs like that," Oh said.
> First, Oh contacted Bryn Mawr and confirmed that Lee's dorm mates had,
> in fact, made the condoms together during a pre-exam session they call a
> "hall tea."
> Then, Oh said, he called Assistant District Attorney Charles Ehrlich,
> who agreed to expedite laboratory tests. Ehrlich also agreed to help seek
> reduced bail, Oh said. A day after the new test came back and confirmed that
> the substance was flour, Lee was released.
> She flew home first class.
>
> There are a few notable things about this story. The draconian D.A.'soffice
(all considered) gave Lee a huge break because of her connections - a
> social capital that most defendants do not have. It is also surprising (and
> heartening) that Philadelphia Airport is screening luggage well enough to
> catch this (potential contraband). I also wonder about the remarkably high
> bail set for a college student who had no prior record that we know about,
> and the jail authorities apparent decision not to put her into protective
> custody. On the other hand, I'm not surprised at all at the error with the
> tests. I wonder if the police department has studied the false positive rate
> carefully. Needless to say, Lee has now filed a civil rights claim
> against the police (and probably a claim against the city for their poor
> drug-testing training). Given her story, the City should settle. But knowing
> the City Solicitor's inflexible litigation strategy, I doubt they will
> anytime soon.
> Posted by Dave Hoffman at December 29, 2005 11:20 AM
> Trackback Pings TrackBack URL for this entry:
> http://www.concurringopinions.com/movabletype/mt-tb.cgi/381
> Comments Maybe she was held with such a high bail because her story is
> so stupid. I understand that I've been out of college for awhile, but I find
> it strange that college women would put flour in condoms to make "stress
> balls" and then be so enamored with them that they packed some to take
> home for the holidays.
> Would we be so sympathetic of a different defendant held for having a
> homemade non-bomb in his suitcase that looked a lot like a homemade bomb?
> Why do you think she should have been put in protective custoday?
> Because she's a college girl? If all defendants held in jail are presumed
> innocent, why would some be more presumed than others?
> *Posted by:* Christine <http://www.theconglomerate.org/> at December 29,
> 2005 01:11 PM
>
>
>
> http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2005/12/a_philadelphia.html
>
> On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Well, that may well be true, but my point was we should proceed from
> > facts, not assumptions. And please don't forget the really erroneous
> > assumption was that made by the police. As you no doubt know very well,
> > people make lots of stupid mistakes that trigger more stupid police
> > mistakes, except the police are the ones with the badges, guns and cuffs.
> > So the question is, even if someone makes a "stupid" mistake, do you go
> > after her for being stupid (and doing nothing illegal), or the cops for
> > making a bad bust (or worse)?
> >
> > If I had a choice between criticizing a civilian for being naive vs a
> > police department and DA for getting the facts wrong, I wouldn't go
> > after the civilian first.
> >
> > For all you know, she is Black and that is why they didn't believe
> > her.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 2:47 PM
> > Subject: RE: [UC] We're Paying This Loopy Bryn Mawr Student
> > $180,000???
> >
> > I think the point of the complexion remark was that had she been
> > Black she would still be incarcerated and we would not have heard her
> > story. And as far as income: if the cross section of gender and income are
> > obvious, then it is obvious that it is something that you don't have to
> > think about in your daily life. As a AFAM woman I would have never
> > taken a chance like that, that my life might not have recovered and in
> > addition have been rewarded for my own stupidity.
> >
> > Wendy
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:22 PM
> > *To:* [email protected]
> > *Subject:* Fwd: [UC] We're Paying This Loopy Bryn Mawr Student
> > $180,000???
> >
> > At the risk of taking a Ross message seriously when it's not:
> >
> > 1. Your city's police lab erroneously thought flour was coke, and
> > has yet to explain how they messed that up, which as I understand it is why
> > she was held that long in custody. Maybe the police chemist was the one who
> > was stealing drugs from the cops.
> > 2. She's a Bryn Mawr student from California, which really tells
> > you nothing about how privileged she is, at least in conventional usage.
> > 3. How did you figure out her complexion?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Sent: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 9:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [UC] We're Paying This Loopy Bryn Mawr Student
> > $180,000???
> >
> > On 1/8/07, *Frank* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > Remember when you had to be smart to get into college?
> >
> > Well it's not just that. It's the idea of MY city paying money we
> > desperately need to some overprivileged Main Line floozyette with an
> > expensive lawyer who, had she been the wrong complexion, would now be
> > spending time in Gitmo for pulling a trick like that.
> >
> >
> > --
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