This is another example of an area with specific boundaries that you
have decided don't exist because you don't want them to exist. You've
even decided that your opinion is that of "most" people in the
neighborhood and you imply that those who disagree are insane. The
arrogance I see in this post is incredible to me.
Is your dislike for Ray so strong that you have to resort to this?
Must you respond to his every sentence with the opposite opinion? Why
respond at all?
Which brings me to your earlier question about how some online
communities deal with trolls. We have ignored them. It works. So does
creating a moderated environment but, given the nature of this list,
I don't think it is appropriate here. I'm sure we would have some
disagreements about what constitutes a troll.
As far as the John Fenton/UCD controversy is concerned, dismissing it
by saying that's the way Philly politics works just doesn't wash with
me. People make conscious decisions about whether or not to
participate in this kind of logrolling. In my opinion, people should
just fess up and take their lumps. If they think it's for the greater
good, then they can make their case and see what happens. And
remember, this might not be an isolated incident, just the only one
we've heard about.
Frank
On May 24, 2007, at 10:33 PM, Anthony West wrote:
As a park activist, I'd have to say this argument is thin. If you
serve a community of residents within certain boundaries, but one
of their dedicated facilities lies one block beyond those
boundaries, a wise and responsible community organization will seek
to extend them some coverage. It's meaningless that some
neighborhood service lies one block outside some boundary. Suppose
the West Philadelphia Y requested some assistance from UCD -- would
that bother you? I'm asking for the opinion of every neighbor on
this list as well as yours.
I personally know readers of UC-list who are also Friends of
Malcolm X Park. How many readers have been quietly thinking Greg
Cojulun is doing a lousy job, over at Malcolm X Park? By contrast,
how many readers have noticed how much better Malcolm X Park has
been looking, compared to 1997? If you belong to the latter group
(aka the not-insane group)
Facilitating Malcolm X Park activities in general is one of the
best things either UCD or any of its haughty rivals could do. I'm
totally for that. It makes sense to most people who are comfortable
living in this neighborhood. If any of you are uncomfortable with
Malcolm X Park, call me and talk to me. Yes, it is very much part
of our neighborhood and a very safe and well-maintained space, I
might add.
-- Tony West
Ray wrote:
ucd states on their website precisely where their
boundaries are, and that's where everyone funding ucd
expects them to be servicing. and that's where ucd claims all its
credit, it's where ucd draws its statistics to write up its report
cards, etc.
this incident involved taking workers away from servicing an area
within the ucd boundaries to an area outside the ucd boundaries.
workers that included ucd staff as well as 2 penn students.
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