Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made
I guess we just see it differently. Seems to me there are lots of ways to interpret the sparse details. What I particularly find interesting is that the student said "they" were passing out fliers. He didn't say "he" was passing out fliers. It also does sound to me like the Councilwoman did directly contradict the student's statement.
From 6abc.com:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=politics&id=5328900 Student: "It was a Tom Knox rally. They had on every corner, the four corners of Malcom X Park, Tom Knox signs. They were passing out flyers," Councilwoman Blackwell: "This was not a Knox rally. This was a community rally." Then again it seems pointless to argue over second (or third) hand statements. Good night, Doc On 5/30/07, Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Actually didn't Councilwoman Blackwell contradict the student's statement?" No, that is Cassidy attempting to fool everyone.. Since he does this sort of thing a lot, I would guess he is trying to mislead everyone instead of it being simple stupidity. I'm not completely sure. What I saw was her denial of inappropriate involvement. Her statement was that she did not seek labor to set up a Knox campaign effort. She asked UCD for help with a community church rally. It implies to me that she claims no advance knowledge of illegal UCD political involvement making what she thought was a different event into a situation where community service probationers and UCD employees did actual Knox campaign work under UCD direction. You see here is an area of this scandal where we have no answers only questions. Consider what if she planned to attend the event, but someone else gave the order to break out the Knox stuff and she knew nothing about that plan in advance. Blackwell and the students could all be completely truthful. To imply that this brief statement attributed to her means that she is claiming that the students story is a lie is not supported. I certainly have made no comment on her denial of inappropriate involvement or advance knowledge. See how Cassidy wants to lead the gullible into believing his fallacious arguments. Maybe I missed something but can you show me any statement other than Cassidy's nonsense from her that claims these students are lying? Cassidy and Pumyhera are on a bizzare campaign to assert that all discussion must cease because the list is not a court of law. Now, Cassidy is trying this nonsense twisting Blackwell's denial of involvement into meaning that she claims the students were lying. You need to pay attention Baldy. Your friend and neighbor, Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Doc Baldy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:11 PM *Subject:* Re: [UC] The UCD answer > Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made and an "official" Actually didn't Councilwoman Blackwell contradict the student's statement? Cheers, Doc On 5/30/07, Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There have been several different reports about the incident at Malcolm > X Park. Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made and an > "official" but extremely useless statement has come from UCD that suggests > that the student accounts are not what is disputed. > > UCD and Penn could prove the students to be liars and stop the > speculation too. I believe the students and the reporters until UCD proves > that they are liars and all the reporters are stupid. But I believe that > you just want this to be covered over and forgotten. Isn't that the reason > for your posts about the word "prisoner" and "hearsay?" > > Isn't the current problem the reason that entities like UCD must not be > permitted to operate behind a wall of secrecy, in the first place, with no > need to ever provide any truthful acountability? Why do you continue to > sugget that people in this community should stop discussing this matter? > Cassidy is demanding a criminal conviction or I should shut-up. Why don't > you focus on giving him a lecture on non-criminal violations of the 501 c3 > laws? > > None of us have the resources to independently ascertain the truth. Can > we agree that UCD is refusing to clear-up everyone's silly speculations? > > Wouldn't it be great if Wendell Lewis made a fool out of my criticisms > of UCD? I'd certainly look like a complete idiot. Come on Wendell, we're > all pulling for ya. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:56 AM > *Subject:* Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer > > I know some people on the list may get into legal debates, but I'm > not one, really. But I must tell you that quotation marks don't negate > hearsay but rather prove it. And you're correct that newspapers are full of > it. That's why you don't usually see newspapers introduced into evidence in > court! > And while you're correct that the truth sometimes does align with > the hearsay, you're also agreeing that it doesn't always. > I'm not unable to believe anything about the incident but rather am > objecting to those who are sure they know the truth based upon a newspaper > article. And I know people don't believe everything they read in the paper > any more than they believe everything a cop tells them. You may well be > right in your reliance but it's possible you're not. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 1:24 am > Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer > > On May 29, 2007, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > As I stated before, you're determining facts based on double hearsay - > you read what the reporter wrote about what someone may have told her. If > there were a good investigation, one thing it would do is have people > interviewed and actually asked the questions directly about what happened. > > > > The student appears to have told the reporter directly, by the way, if > that's what the quotation marks around his statements mean, so it's no more > hearsay than any other newspaper report and certainly not "double hearsay" > since the student did not speak for or about anyone but himself. > > People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses > will tell you that what people really know often doesn't align with what > other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. It > happens all the time. > > > People with lots of experience actually asking questions of witnesses > will also tell me that what people know often *exactly* aligns with what > other people think the witnesses know, or what the reporter said. So what? > > Why are some people on this list so unable to believe that the saintly > John Fenton might have made a mistake? I honestly don't believe UCDwould have suspended John > Fenton if nothing at all had occurred. I think they're investigating > *how* it happened, not if. > > Frank > = > ------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000437>. > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 > 11:40 AM > > -- ---------------------------------- University City Yoga http://www.ucyoga.com ------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM
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