You're still not making sense. In the theoretical example *you* (not Ray) originally used, the decision about what content to teach was made by the agency, not by UCD. UCD's support would theoretically be forthcoming no matter what content was chosen. Any public complaint would have to be directed to the agency in question since UCD would be content-neutral.

I'm going to repeat what I said before: You seem to be mired in traditional method of communication and to believe that they are the *only* way things work. Seriously, you use the word "must" more than anyone I can remember. You make pronouncements about the way things "are" which completely disregard different methods of communication than the ones, if I can presume, you work best in.

Important decisions *do* get made without all of the parties involved talking face to face. I am reminded particularly of my involvement in Provincetown Community Television and the Provincetown Cable Advisory Board. Most of our negotiations, even controversial ones, with both Comcast and Outer Cape Television happened through email. The parties involved were just too geographically separate to be in the same place at the same time very often. I didn't know much when I started with them but I learned and eventually taught at our Community Television Station.

Frank

On Jun 1, 2007, at 05:19 PM, Anthony West wrote:

Frank,

Ray proposed that UCD "not take sides in public questions/disputes/ contests, not taking sides or even appearing to take sides." Therefore, Ray is saying, UCD could only support projects with which there was universal contentment in this community. And since it only takes one person with a keyboard to manufacture a "public question/dispute/contest", in an area with more than 50,000 residents (at least on UC-list), this proposal is the kind of pipe dream that flourishes in unrealistic internet communities.

I repeat: this standard is absurd, an impossible test to meet for any one of the hundreds of organizations that operate in some sort of public-private interface throughout Philadelphia. Any governmental authority you might approach to put a chop on your regulatory proposals, will recognize this in a flash and tune you out.

Anybody who wants to consider developing a regulatory network for UCD needs to acquire a grounding of knowledge and common sense about how actual agencies and actual regulators work. It will require real study and real interaction with real people in the real world.

Pounding out an ever-expanding wishlist of single-issue edicts to a single-case agency one doesn't really know anything about, is a childish exercise in imaginary self-importance. Ray can do this if he wants. He can hold his conversation with nobody, in public, if he wants.

-- Tony West

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Umm...Who said *that?* If I missed something, please explain it to me.

Frank


On Jun 1, 2007, at 02:48 AM, Anthony West wrote:

So to set a standard of universal contentment as the benchmark for any non-profit's legitimacy is absurd, an impossible test to meet.

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