I hear ya.

I don't feel so alone. Thanks for confirming your accounts. These are important issues to air publicly if we are indeed to move forward.

I know a lot about UCD but I did not catch this choice of 3 before Karen's account.

Glenn
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What Karen posted is correct as far as I know and was used as a
mechanism for the UCD and "specific interest" to eliminate particular
organizations
or individuals from participating in the UCD Board activities.

Essentially, if the UCD didn't want you there it wouldn't matter if your
community association put your name forward. It was unlikely out of 3
names
the Board wouldn't find someone of their philosophy.

Q: Why did the community stakeholders allow UCD to propose something so
  undermining to our interest?

The UCD operations and Board activities are anti-trust, violate the
standards of ethical behavior, and are not worthy of community support.


S

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Thank you very much.  That was a very interesting account. Let me make
sure
I get it right..Was it the Board choosing the three candidates and not
the
full membership?

Then afterwards, UCD, chose which of the three choices would actually
serve.

Does anyone know, was the process Karen described for  CPN the same as
the
other civic associations had?  Send three Board choices for UCD to
choose?

Thanks Karen, this is important information.

Glenn


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>From: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [UC] The UCD Board and community reps
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:44:12 -0400

Has anyone anything else to add about the civic associations'
representative choosing process?

YES!

As you all probably know, I'm Treasurer of Cedar Park Neighbors, and
have
been so since 1996. I cannot speak as to the procedure by which our
current UCD representative, Dorothy Berlind, was seated, or when her
term
is due to expire, because I honestly have no recollection or
knowledge.  I
can, however, speak to historical events that occurred back in 2000
and
2001.  I am not saying that the process is still being used because,
again, I honestly do not know.

In 2000-2001, the University City Community Council was very active.
UCCC
is a coalition of community associations and special interest groups.
I
along with Mike Hardy and Melani worked on writing the bylaws when the

group formed around 1997.  By 2000, the members were Powelton Village,

Cedar Park, Garden Court, Walnut Hill, Squirrell Hill, and Spruce
Hill,
along with groups like UC Historical Society, UC Pride, and Friends of

Clark Park.  Spruce Hill resigned from the group because of the
controversy over what was to become the Penn-Alexander School
catchment
area.

During 2000-2001, there was a major controversey between UCCC and UCD
because UCD insisted that each community association send the names of

three people as "nominees" to the UCD Board, and UCD would then
"select"
which of the three would represent that association.  The
then-President
of Squirrell Hill was one of the vocal members of the UCCC, and he was

adamant, as was I and others, that UCD was not going to select who was

going to represent the community associations.

When it came time for CPN to decide, I and another CPN Board member
who
was active in UCCC insisted to the CPN Board that we should not send
three, and have UCD select our representative, but instead send only
the
representative that we wanted.  I was out-voted because the opinion
was
put forth that it was "better to have a seat at the table" and three
nominees was then requested.  I and my co-militant nominated each
other as
two of the nominees, but were out-voted.

Again, this is what I know about the original UCD community rep
selection
process. Whether that is still the case today I don't know.  But I
will go
on record as saying that that was what was done in 2000-2001.

Karen Allen


From: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [UC] The UCD Board and community reps
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:44:12 -0400

Folks, something else came out yesterday that is very indicative of
the
underlying problem with UCD. The Councilwoman told everyone that her
staff
member, Marty, was removed from the UCD Board. Later, Glenn Bryan,
with
whom she has worked, was also either removed or not permitted on the
Board.

We don't know anything about how Penn real estate and its corporate
partners choose this body and they can change it at will.

Mr. Lewis Wendell, at one point yesterday, asserted that all the civic

associations have Board members on the UCD Board. A civic association
leader leaned over to me and gave me a little hearsay.

She suggested that the UCD picked or suggested the civic association
representatives and not some internal voting process after some
discussion
by the members.

Has anyone anything else to add about the civic associations'
representative choosing process? Are their people in the associations
that
have UCD Board representatives that can confirm or deny if there were
appropriate discussions to choose your representatives? Did you find
out
that you had a Board representative but had not heard of any process
for
choosing? Can anyone describe an internal choosing process?

I know that with all of the UCD initiatives, it is a very strict UCD
policy that UCD handpicks the "community" representatives and may
close
out all stakeholders suspected of not rubber stamping the planned
agenda.
So although I haven't been on the Board of any of the civic
associations
except FOCP, the brief story from the civic association leader sounds
believable to me.

In one of their first initiatives, the revitalization of Clark Park, I

experienced this closing out of stakeholders as I was repeatedly
barred
from the steering committee. At the time, I was leader of one of the
largest organized stakeholder groups in the park. Park groups were
generally uninvited or barred from the steering committee.

If anyone can add to the understanding of choosing UCD "community
reps,"
thank you.

Cedar Park, Spruce Hill Civic Association, Powelton Village, Garden
Court
and Walnut Hill have a representative listed on the UCD web site. Can
anyone from SHCA, for example, talk about the discussions to send
Barry.
Did anyone run against him?  What was the vote count? When was the
vote?

Sincerely,

Glenn




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