Kimm,
Since 2002 at least, most of Ray's posts have been directed at making
false claims about the community activities of his neighbors. He does
so, in large part, by faking printed documents that suggest his
neighbors are conducting baleful, secret activities at the behest of
Ray's own employer, whenever they attempt to improve the neighborhood by
cashing a check from his employer, which he himself does week after week.
It's always been a one-way street, Kimm. I can't think of a single
community group that had targeted Ray, or lied about him incessantly in
print, during all those years; can you? In any case, why should
non-Penn-dependent neighbors be constantly lectured by this Penn
employee about our supposed dependence on Penn money? Ray has no sense
of irony, but how about you?
Ray has a problem with dishonesty. He likes to fake evidence against his
targets, who typically aren't doing anything that is illegal, or
disrespectful to the community, or, for the most part, doing anything,
day in and day out, that he doesn't do himself (i.e., live off Penn) as
all can see.
There's the difference between "ad hominem" and factual. If Ray never
attacked a neighbor for accepting money from Penn, nobody would ever
think of attacking him for doing it himself. The aggressive impulse has
always originated in Ray. Have you not noticed that?
After five years of rejected courtesies, I am no model of civility. The
problem remains for all UC-list subscribers: when a fellow subscriber
repeatedly commits libel, how do we help shape a healthy communal
response to this crime?
Your response may not be the same as mine, Kimm. In fact, we may need a
diversity of responses.
-- Tony West
Kimm Tynan wrote:
Mmmm. I don't think you are doing so well in applying your standards.
I've seen you post your own share of surprisingly vicious, personal,
ad hominem posts on this list, mostly directed at Ray, and your
inclination to do so has not contributed to the quality of the content
of this list. I'm open to the prospect that anyone can lose their
temper now and then. But you are no model of civility. I offer that
fully realizing that, I may well not be either.
Cheers!
Kimm
