Dear Kimm and Tony, With all due respect, I must agree with Kimm here. Some of the others who¹ve flounced over to the new list are guilty as well. Melani/Al, Bruce Anderson and Sharrieff, Melani deliberately posting a private joke between Al and I post she received accidentally, in an effort to embarrass me as well as deliberately baiting people to attack me and others.
The disagreements have not been ALL in self-defense for them by any means. Many, (not all),at the new list have done their fair share in stirring the pot on the UC List and inflame tensions. Now they walk off as if butter wouldn¹t melt in their mouths, with the caveat to pre-screen ones whom they dislike and/or disagree. That said, none of us is perfect and we all make mistakes. I KNOW I have. I have tried to apologize to those I have offended because sometimes the connotations of one¹s words comes across quite differently in print than in person. Your advice on civility is good and I plan to take advantage of your counsel. Hope the others are as willing. -Wilma On 7/29/07 11:16 PM, "Kimm Tynan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tony, > >> On 7/29/07 10:35 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I do not think harsh terms for others are always avoidable in public life. I >>> try to get by, applying two flexible standards-- >>> >> 1) Never commence writing with an objective of picking a fight with a person >> and insulting a person. Let your criticism flow from your facts and your >> reasons, not from your personal animadversions. Whenever those arise, always >> be prepared to set them aside and meet somebody face to face later, with an >> open heart and an open mind. > > > Mmmm. I don¹t think you are doing so well in applying your standards. I¹ve > seen you post your own share of surprisingly vicious, personal, ad hominem > posts on this list, mostly directed at Ray, and your inclination to do so has > not contributed to the quality of the content of this list. I¹m open to the > prospect that anyone can lose their temper now and then. But you are no model > of civility. I offer that fully realizing that, I may well not be either. > > Cheers! > > Kimm > > > > > > On 7/29/07 10:35 PM, "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I do not think harsh terms for others are always avoidable in public life. I >> try to get by, applying two flexible standards-- >> >> 1) Never commence writing with an objective of picking a fight with a person >> and insulting a person. Let your criticism flow from your facts and your >> reasons, not from your personal animadversions. Whenever those arise, always >> be prepared to set them aside and meet somebody face to face later, with an >> open heart and an open mind. >> >> 2) If you call somebody an unpleasant name, and you have no evidence and make >> no effort to document your charge -- you should pull the plug on yourself >> before a moderator does the honors. Think before you write. If, on the other >> hand, you call somebody an unpleasant name which you can document with >> factual evidence -- you should do so. It is not "ad hominem" or illegitimate >> in any way to call a correspondent wrong in heart or mind, if you can show >> why by citing honest details. But never lie in this case! Be fair and do not >> exaggerate, before you dish out the slurs. >> >> -- Tony West >> >>> Have you been out in public in the last few years? This is SOP for the >>> majority of the population as far as I'm concerned. This list is almost >>> reserved in comparison. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Frankus >>> >>> Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 29, 2007, at 03:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What bothers me is the lack of civility especially common among many big >>>> posters. Name calling (including intentional reversal of names, use of >>>> last names or diminutives as insults, gender based attacks, etc), open >>>> hostility, personal attacks, etc., are included routinely in a lot of >>>> posts. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
