Sorry I left the word "beaten" out of the last sentence in the first
paragraph of my last message. I've now corrected the omission below.
On 07 Aug 2007, at 10:53 AM, Elliot M. Stern wrote:
I stand by my original remarks in response to Glenn's 3 August 4:06
PM posting reproduced below, though I must admit that my remarks
about his failure to identify Officer Davis adequately were
somewhat beside the main point. I continue to fail to see why Glenn
replied at 8:27 PM on 3 August as he did to my reply of 7:20 PM
the same day (also reproduced below). He accuses me of attacking
his character, which I did not. He berates me for being "too damn
stupid to even call the district and the officer I clearly
identified!". He belittles my reply by saying "What if it turns out
that I was doing an important community service by looking into
this lie while dealing with mean stupid posts like yours." He then
advises me to "Forget about the badge number and stop making a
raving ad hominem singing idiot out of yourself on the list.", and
concludes with "I expect an apology Stern. You should be ashamed of
yourself.". I don't think asking for an apology after thoroughly
insulting a person is a viable email list tactic. It may work, if
you've beaten the shit out of someone, and you've got him pinned to
the ground, and you threaten further violence to his person.
I'm still both puzzled and stung by Glenn's reply. I don't see that
I owe him an apology. I'm also not asking for an apology from him,
though it may be due.
Elliot
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Elliot M. Stern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 August 2007 8:55:18 PM EDT
To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "University City List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [UC] CONFIRMATION OF FALSE CRIME REPORT
Reply-To: "Elliot M. Stern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sorry, Glenn, I don't think I've ever met Tony. He's not my pal.
You're making a lot of unwarranted assumptions. Business as usual.
Elliot
On 03 Aug 2007, at 8:27 PM, Glenn wrote:
Stern,
Officer Davis is the Community Affairs Officer for the 18th
district. I forget his first name. But I have identified him so
that anyone can easily verify that no car jacking happened.
Don't you think it may have been better to verify the information
yourself before you accuse me of bad intentions?
I described how I went two separate times to the police today. I
got the same information from a senior officer, Officer Davis, as
I received from the receptionist officer. I reported to the list
how I asked Officer Davis if their was any way this could have
been an error.
:
"as there is ample evidence that Glenn seeks to defame Tony's
reputation".
and
"Glenn leaves himself open to charges of further indulgence in ad
hominem attacks, and possible charges of libel"
You know Stern, I'm getting tired of being civil when someone
posts crap like this. I described exactly how I discovered that
the car jacking did not occur. If the police made some crazy
mistake, I would be held blameless for the way I reported what
happened. Hey when that happens, I'll admit any mistake I would
have made.
Unlike your pal, my reputation for honesty is pretty well
established while I was continuously attacked with bullshit like
yours by the cheeseheads.
You accuse me of seeking to defame West. Why because I've been
lied about and bullied so many times before by West and cronies?
Because I clearly exposed other lies like the famous 17 public
meetings of FOCP.
Yo Stern, what if I'm correct? You acknowledge "no idea" either
way, yet you want to accuse me of bad intentions for exposing a
serious lie. And you offer no comment about what this means if I
am correct as I have been before. You readily attack my
character yet you were too damn stupid to even call the district
and the officer I clearly identified!
What if it turns out that I was doing an important community
service by looking into this lie while dealing with mean stupid
posts like yours.
Forget about the badge number and stop making a raving ad hominem
slinging idiot out of yourself on the list.
I expect an apology Stern. You should be ashamed of yourself.
----- Original Message -----
From: Elliot M. Stern
To: University City List
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] CONFIRMATION OF FALSE CRIME REPORT
We all should note that Glenn has not identified Officer Davis by
full name, and he has not stated Officer Davis by badge number.
He has further jumped to various conclusions about Tony West's
motives for reporting the alleged incidents. I have no idea
whether any such incident occurred or not, but I would venture
say that Glenn leaves himself open to charges of further
indulgence in ad hominem attacks, and possible charges of libel,
if the incident is in the end documented, as there is ample
evidence that Glenn seeks to defame Tony's reputation.
E
On 03 Aug 2007, at 4:06 PM, Glenn wrote:
Dear list,
Please feel free to forward this message to your friends and
neighbors. I'm ccing this to FOCP representatives as well.
I just returned from meeting with 18th District Police Community
Affairs Officer Davis. I can now confirm that Mr. Tony West’s
report of a car jacking at 44th and Larchwood never happened..
When Officer Davis told me again that there was no record of any
such crime, I asked him if I could report with certainty.
Officer Davis read the post by Mr. West. Yes, there is no chance
that it would not be in their computer records. There is no
chance that the police were called to a car jacking at 44th and
Larchwood.
The 18th District headquarters is located at 55th and Pine.
Mr. Tony West has manufactured a false crime report. He falsely
claimed that there are 2 black male car jackers at large, and
one of them is willing to brandish a gun. He falsely accused the
police of serious mishandling of this manufactured crime.
He intentionally tried to frighten many of our neighbors. And he
risked serious side effects even catastrophe had he been taken
seriously. If I were any African American or black person in
this neighborhood, I would be outraged. I’m outraged anyway!
Also, I received an anonymous e-mail claiming this car jacking
did in fact happen. It is an unknown unsigned aol e-mail. I will
forward.
I don’t know what more to say at this time.
Sincerely,
Glenn Moyer
Elliot M. Stern
552 South 48th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19143-2029
United States of America
telephone: 215-747-6204
mobile: 267-240-8418
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