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-Wilma
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From: Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:56:29 -0400
To: Wilma de Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [UC] Interesting item about UC Community Stakeholders in
today's UCReview


All true, as far as it goes.. A good social worker or a good politician
doesn't define a stakeholder by an organization.

Some non-organized citizens and neighbors are dynamic social beings in their
own way.

However, governments by definition are organized, so they have a natural
preference for dealing with other organizations. Then unorganized
individuals like you may start with a disadvantage of your own choosing.
It's not the responsibility of organizations to help non-organized people
like you deal with any handicap you dealt yourself by being less organized
than they are. E.g., it's not their job to circulate your petition for you.

Your remark, "volunteerism is institutionalized (ucd)" makes no sense at
all. What does UCD have to do with volunteerism? Its essence is to provide
services by paid employees. It does not consist of volunteers and does not
organize or coordinate volunteers at any level. These two vastly different
bodies are not even apples and oranges; more like fish and fungi. They are
symbionts.

-- Tony West

Ray wrote:
> here's the deal: we're all stakeholders.

> and we're all free to volunteer and join whatever community group we'd like
> (or not), to accomplish whatever we want (or not). we just have to remember
> that, volunteerism, like religion, isn't a pre-requisite for being a citizen
> (neighbor), nor does it entitle anyone with greater or lesser rights as a
citizen
> (neighbor). and all this is true even when the volunteerism is
institutionalized
> (ucd); state religions cannot compete with citizens' rights in a secular
> democracy. 



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