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From:
Anthony West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

/This morning, long before Melani went off to Bark in the Park, thousands of volunteers walked across that same ground. They were part of a 3-Day Walk from New York to Washington to raise funds to fight breast cancer. They were volunteers soliciting voluntary contributions, much as hundreds of millions of Americans have done for centuries. Large donors, small donors ... both are part of the mix.

But the money they raise won't be spent on volunteer healers, researchers and construction workers selected at random from among "stakeholders" (breast cancer patients). It will be used to paid credentialed, paid workers in relevant fields to do a professional job.

For "donors" read Penn (large) and Melani (small). For "paid workers" read UCD. For "stakeholders" read businesses in this community. Now we are comparing apples with apples.

Breast cancer research and treatment has public effects -- voluntary organizations having public effects. This is more than common in our society; it's universal. Since we never read complaints about this process on this list in any other subject aside from neighborhood groups, it's a safe bet none of the complainers take their own complaints seriously. They are polemical rhetoric with no meaningful applications in society as a whole.

One can have a UCD without a BID. In fact, that's what we do have. What we have now, is a system whereby voluntary donors address widespread community concerns ("clean and safe" and "business marketing", in SSD terms) by creating an institution that can tackle them with paid specialists instead of with random volunteers drawn from among the stakeholders.

These tasks may or may not be well done and individuals may or may not want them done in the first place. But those who tackle these concerns in this way have no need of a "public mandate" or a "public process" (although it might be wise for them to seek one) in order to seek "power over the public", whether in the form of combatting public diseases or picking up public trash. Each of us has a right to seek that sort of "power over the public." I have a right to sweep the sidewalk in front of my neighbor's house if he doesn't object; if he maintains it poorly, I'll do it anyway and the government will back me up.

A BID is exactly where this institution would become fully and directly public. It is a qualitatively different creature from a private body that inspires it. To be successful -- even to succeed at coming into being -- it needs widespread advance buy-in by those it would assess.

-- Tony West


I think you (and melani) are missing the point that al and I and others have been making (and yes, sorry about all this tin-can-and-string mode of communicating, hope it gets straightened out):

volunteering, like being an anabaptist, isn't wrong in and of itself. it's when it has enforcable public impacts (such as taxing people, or overriding property rights to satisfy historic tastes, or dedicating land from a public park to the exclusive use of parakeet owners, or re-zoning to put a tattoo parlor in someone's neighborhood) that their actions become subject to public scrutiny, public process, public will. it may be that no one will subject their actions to public scrutiny, public process, public will, but when they do, in our public sphere, it becomes a public question. and when it comes to public questions, being a neighbor stakeholder trumps being an anabaptist stakeholder every day of the week, no matter how nice anabaptists are, how nice their deeds are, how many anabaptists there are, how assured anabaptists are of a place in heaven.**

our government ensures that every neighbor is an equal stakeholder, even while not forbidding anabaptists from doing their thing. but it does not require anyone to be an anabaptist to be an equal stakeholder, nor does it grant that anabaptists' interests come first.

I believe that as neighbors we have proven that we know how to volunteer, anabaptists and non-anabaptists alike, before there ever was a ucd. and we have proven that we are willing and capable of volunteering -- anabaptists and non-anabaptists alike -- without our volunteerism being enforced by ucd's top-down plan to tax us. I believe that is especially true now that we've seen so much well publicized evidence about what a strong, viable, capable neighborhood we are. I believe it's time to tell penn and ucd that it's been a nice 10 years, that we'll take it from here.

meanwhile, I believe we can begin working together to strengthen and re-invigorate our relationships as public stakeholders. will you and sharreiff consider al's suggestion of having a spot at the upcoming mayorial forum? will you and sharreiff consider distributing a copy of the petition to this list?



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UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[aka laserbeam®]
[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
  "It is very clear on this listserve who
   these people are. Ray has admitted being
   connected to this forger."  -- Tony West
  "Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated,
   more believable" -- Tony West

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** because I keep harping on this, I'm giving the impression that I never join organizations or volunteer, that I'm dead set against joining organizations or volunteering. that is false; I do volunteer, as an individual and as part of several groups. I just don't choose to talk about it here, nor do I require others to do so; my neighbor is no less a stakeholder than I. .

also, to clarify, I'm not opposed to community organizations per se. before there was a ucd, community organizations worked for many people. those with common interests joined, they did their projects, and their effects on the public were benign. however, now that ucd has co-opted these organizations and added its clout, they and their agendas have become much less benign, with far more consequential public impacts -- but, significantly, without the development of concommitant public mechanisms needed to accommodate and ensure public process. this is why community organizations are challenged today, and why stakeholders -- old-timers and especially newcomers -- can get confused about criticism of these organizations.


















































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