Lussenhop is trying to pass off appearances in the neighborhood as "public"
meetings, despite the fact that there has been absolutely no attempt by him,
his friends or his apologists to reach the average UC resident who does not
happen to belong to the Historical Society, SHCA or any of the entities who
show up at First Thursday or the Friends of 40th Street. Those organizations
reach a small percentage of UC residents, and all UC residents, and not just
the members of those groups, have a right to be informed and to be heard.
I am not parsing words as you seem to be doing. Is SHCA or this list public?
Yes, in a narrow way. Anyone who chooses to join are part of that "public" that
makes up these entities. They are not private. But are these entities
all-inclusive? No. You still insist on calling what I wrote to be "insulting
nonsense" when I made it very clear what I meant by "public" and why what
Lussenhop is doing is not going to pass muster in front of the Zoning Board if
he tries to palm his "appearances" off as being "public meetings".
I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and I'm not going to change my
opinion. And if Lussenhop appears before the Zoning Board and tries to claim
those appearances qualify as public meetings, I'm going to see to it that that
claim is challenged.
You will note that in my reaction to your insults that I did not ask for an
apology. I don't ask for apologies because a bell cannot be unrung. I also
regard an apology accompanied with excuses and more insults to not be an
apology, but further insults. And for the record, you do not get to define for
me the standard by which I consider what is "pointless", "insulting nonsense",
and what is "out of character". You seem to think that your opinons are Truth
Inviolate, and woe unto anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you. If
you don't agree with me, fine. But you don't get to deem my opinion
"pointless" "out of character" "insulting nonsense" simply because I committed
the cardinal sin of disagreeing with you.
And you also do not get to define me. You have decided what my "character"
should be, and now you think that I have violated your "standards" of what you
think my character should be. You now have to remind me what my "place" is,
and how you expect that I won't violate your standards again. You do not
define me, or what my opinon is or should be. You are very arrogant, sir, and
you really need to do something about that.
Karen Allen
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:58:03 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> [email protected]> Subject: Re: [UC] What you mean 'public', community
> man?> > I actually agree with Liz, and with Karen as well. I do not like
> printed > vulgarity and I try to avoid it myself. It was late at night and I
> must > have been influenced by Frank who, a few hours earlier, had let fly >
> exactly the same epithet at me, I notice. But it is my fault that I > allowed
> myself to be influenced, not Frank's that he influenced me.> > I do apologize
> to you, Karen for such pointless language. You did indeed > write insulting
> nonsense, which did deserve to be pointed out. You don't > usually, and I bet
> I won't often see you do so again. It's out of > character for you> >
> Furthermore, I never "left the list". Where did you get that idea? The > list
> stopped accepting my posts, as it did those of several other > people. Now it
> seems to be working again. Thank you, whoever helped fix it!> > -- Tony West>
> > > > Why the stretch?> > Karen was speaking for herself.> >> > I find it
> refreshing that she did not pretend to speak for others who may> > (or not)
> be offended by bad language.> >> > She did not drag other 'guilty' parties
> in.> > She did not adopt the mantle of List Police.> >> > I find Karen's
> posts to be specific and informative.> >> > Best!> > Liz> >> >> > On Tue, 19
> Nov 2002 18:05:43 -0500 Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > writes:> > > >>
> KAREN ALLEN wrote:> >> > >>> > >>> Tony,> >>> DO NOT CURSE AT ME!!!!> >>> >
> >>> I did not curse at you, and I will not tolerate you cursing at me. > >>>
> > >> In other circumstances, I'd be sympathetic to your complaint.> >>> >>
> But remember, this is a list where cursing has happened in the past, > >>> >>
> where people other than Tony regularly insult others (a recent > >>
> "assholes"' shot seems to have escaped your notice). And please > >> recall >
> >> that several people here-- need I name names?-- regularly insult the > >>
> UC > >> Neighbors list because it was set up to be a more civil, friendlier >
> >> place.> >>> >> In other words, you're demanding Tony follow a kind of
> civility that > >> you > >> don't demand from others, and on a mailing list
> where people seem to > >>> >> pride themselves on not being "censored." You
> haven't minded it when > >>> >> other people (including Tony) are cursed at.
> And you're on a list > >> where > >> asking for Special Treatment is
> _clearly_ not respected.> >>> >> So I'm not impressed by this.> >>> >>> >>>
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