Wow. What else was discussed about these media reports?
It is responsible for police to reserve comment about any details,
identities or investigation. But the public has a right to know, if
there was an official report made about acts of violence or not. The
basic report of an alleged crime makes no difference if the Lt. was on
the scene, and the initial 2 day old report is not a classified secret.
Information is either confidential/unconfirmed or it is not, no matter
who is "on the scene."
The sensationalist corporate media is passing out conflicting
information, and the basic redacted official incident report is very
important to the public. That is why universities were required by law
to publish the basic report of alleged crimes, but without a requirement
to publish confidential or unconfirmed details. (I believe it was a
rape/murder case that caused this mandate.)
Why is the Lt. having community meetings? Is he only there to deliver
platitudes?
On 9/15/2011 8:44 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:
Tonight at the 6pm meeting at Calvary Center, 48th & Baltimore, where
the issue of an alleged robbery and sexual assault at ~10pm earlier
this week, was somewhat talked about, and a rather credible sounding
speaker (not sure of his name) said that he was told by a Police
Officer, at about 10:30pm on that night, at 48th and Springfield that
no one had been hurt there.
Lt. McBride said he could not comment. He said that he himself had
not been on the scene.
- Rick Conrad
I've watched four news reports and they have significant differences
like one saying "the gun was held to the man's head while she was
raped" and "the police say the person who did it is in custody now"
(which is prejudicial to a man's rights and probably illegal to say
before trial), another one saying "the gun was held to the girl's head
while she was raped" one saying "the younger male stayed and watched"
another saying "the younger male said to stop then ran away", one
saying the assailant was African American and another one where the
suspect in custody was only identified as a male 18yrs. old. I am
starting to wonder...
On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
I'll add the quote from the news: "Police say they have made an
arrest after a man was forced to watch a teen sexually assault his
girlfriend at gunpoint."
This alone trivializes the crime, as if watching the crime was worse
than suffering it.
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]*On
Behalf Of*Joe Clarke
*Sent:*Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:05 PM
*To:*Glenn
*Cc:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [UC] Many victims of violence
Glenn, You know one way to further assault the victim is by
politicizing the crime, rather than seeking justice for the
victim(s). Politicization of people makes them mindless pawns of
greater socia-economic-historic forces, and leaves them with no sense
of reponsibility or agency for doing good. Politicization of people
and their acts deprives them of their human diginty which includes
making moral decisions-no matter how poorly. The Community
Organizer, John McKnight, talks of an old woman from an "inner city"
neighborhood who pleaded with him and other social service agencies
who came to help, "Please don't turn me into a helpless victim. That
puts me into a worse prison than this (her situation))" She could of
said "Don't make me into a "benign stereotype", which you seem to be
good at doing; "don't make me into a victim, a problem or a
socio/psycho-pathology". When we pity anyone we secretly express our
own superiority and hidden contempt for them. The rush to spread out
the blame on society is a way of diminishing the sense of
helplessness and hopelessness that the spreader has. If you want to
be detoxified from the addiction to words - do something, take
action. Once reality gets a chance to have a turn at influencing
you, you'll have cast off your chains to your computer commentary.
Joe
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Glenn <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It is quite likely that there have been other victims of this young
perpetrator's violence, who are suffering and without help. I hope
we all include those suffering in silence in our prayers.
The incident reported was horrible and requires our serious
consideration and discussion. We owe that to all victims of violence.
If you compare self report studies with crime statistics, it's clear
that most victims of violence and sexual assaults suffer without
help. Just like the news reports call 48th and Springfield,
southwest Philadelphia, and not university city; the entire system is
based on manipulation and fraud. (Go watch the poor people in tears
being turned away from the DA's office on any day of the week!)
The unequal system refuses to help the vast majority of victims of
violence while blaming them for their lack of private resources and
the communities in which they reside. The often absurd, NIMBY driven
solutions to crime, also requires us to turn our backs on huge
neighborhoods and populations who are victimized by violence daily.
If we are going to stand for real, long term, policies to reduce
violence and crime, we need to confront our own willingness to turn
our backs on the majority of victims and communities. If there are
flash mobs in center city and UCD, don't the people in other
neighborhoods also suffer from violent perpetrators?
I'm not diminishing the pain and trauma of these university city
victims at all, but I'm begging people to open their hearts and minds
to the victims across Philadelphia and the US so we can finally
address these issues honestly. Next time we hear that upscale lights
on commercial corridors or kicking poor people from the park is the
answer to crime, I hope more people stand up and scream "LIARS"
Let's start looking at and discussing our real problems honestly.
And let's keep our neighbors security and needs in our thoughts as
much as we consider our own!
Glenn
PS: Thanks Rick..." As Eldridge Cleaver said we all suffer, and it
wasn't what we wanted, the greed&war machined people wanted us to
feel it as inevitable! WE NEED A FAIR SOCIETY. Meanwhile we all
suffer, the poor suffer the most, and the rich are plagued by
indifference and callousness. Please teach us to be kinder. Please
teach us to share. Please teach us and reach us with safer non-rape
and non-repo forms of sex and power drives for our gratification and
fulfillment! Please have mercy and justice. Help."
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