I too can understand them needing to use care and confidentiality before
releasing information.
Lt. McBride could not answer with much more, but acknowledged that very set of
concerns, Glenn - then finished by saying > "when the police have something to
release, they will..."
He seemed genuine, truly interested in knowing more himself, and at least as
concerned as we were...
But then I am at least as badly limited at reading people / events - as I am at
predicting the weather...
On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Glenn wrote:
> Wow. What else was discussed about these media reports?
>
> It is responsible for police to reserve comment about any details, identities
> or investigation. But the public has a right to know, if there was an
> official report made about acts of violence or not. The basic report of an
> alleged crime makes no difference if the Lt. was on the scene, and the
> initial 2 day old report is not a classified secret. Information is either
> confidential/unconfirmed or it is not, no matter who is "on the scene."
>
> The sensationalist corporate media is passing out conflicting information,
> and the basic redacted official incident report is very important to the
> public. That is why universities were required by law to publish the basic
> report of alleged crimes, but without a requirement to publish confidential
> or unconfirmed details. (I believe it was a rape/murder case that caused
> this mandate.)
>
> Why is the Lt. having community meetings? Is he only there to deliver
> platitudes?
>
> On 9/15/2011 8:44 PM, Richard Conrad wrote:
>>
>> Tonight at the 6pm meeting at Calvary Center, 48th & Baltimore, where the
>> issue of an alleged robbery and sexual assault at ~10pm earlier this week,
>> was somewhat talked about, and a rather credible sounding speaker (not sure
>> of his name) said that he was told by a Police Officer, at about 10:30pm on
>> that night, at 48th and Springfield that no one had been hurt there.
>>
>> Lt. McBride said he could not comment. He said that he himself had not been
>> on the scene.
>>
>> - Rick Conrad
>>
>>
>>
>> I've watched four news reports and they have significant differences like
>> one saying "the gun was held to the man's head while she was raped" and "the
>> police say the person who did it is in custody now" (which is prejudicial to
>> a man's rights and probably illegal to say before trial), another one
>> saying "the gun was held to the girl's head while she was raped" one saying
>> "the younger male stayed and watched" another saying "the younger male said
>> to stop then ran away", one saying the assailant was African American and
>> another one where the suspect in custody was only identified as a male
>> 18yrs. old. I am starting to wonder...
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Lalevic, Darco wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll add the quote from the news : "Police say they have made an arrest
>>> after a man was forced to watch a teen sexually assault his girlfriend at
>>> gunpoint."
>>>
>>> This alone trivializes the crime, as if watching the crime was worse than
>>> suffering it.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [email protected]
>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Clarke
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:05 PM
>>> To: Glenn
>>> Cc: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: [UC] Many victims of violence
>>>
>>> Glenn, You know one way to further assault the victim is by politicizing
>>> the crime, rather than seeking justice for the victim(s). Politicization
>>> of people makes them mindless pawns of greater socia-economic-historic
>>> forces, and leaves them with no sense of reponsibility or agency for doing
>>> good. Politicization of people and their acts deprives them of their
>>> human diginty which includes making moral decisions-no matter how poorly.
>>> The Community Organizer, John McKnight, talks of an old woman from an
>>> "inner city" neighborhood who pleaded with him and other social service
>>> agencies who came to help, "Please don't turn me into a helpless victim.
>>> That puts me into a worse prison than this (her situation))" She could of
>>> said "Don't make me into a "benign stereotype", which you seem to be good
>>> at doing; "don't make me into a victim, a problem or a
>>> socio/psycho-pathology". When we pity anyone we secretly express our own
>>> superiority and hidden contempt for them. The rush to spread out the blame
>>> on society is a way of diminishing the sense of helplessness and
>>> hopelessness that the spreader has. If you want to be detoxified from the
>>> addiction to words - do something, take action. Once reality gets a chance
>>> to have a turn at influencing you, you'll have cast off your chains to your
>>> computer commentary.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Glenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> It is quite likely that there have been other victims of this young
>>> perpetrator's violence, who are suffering and without help. I hope we all
>>> include those suffering in silence in our prayers.
>>>
>>> The incident reported was horrible and requires our serious consideration
>>> and discussion. We owe that to all victims of violence.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you compare self report studies with crime statistics, it's clear that
>>> most victims of violence and sexual assaults suffer without help. Just
>>> like the news reports call 48th and Springfield, southwest Philadelphia,
>>> and not university city; the entire system is based on manipulation and
>>> fraud. (Go watch the poor people in tears being turned away from the DA's
>>> office on any day of the week!)
>>>
>>> The unequal system refuses to help the vast majority of victims of violence
>>> while blaming them for their lack of private resources and the communities
>>> in which they reside. The often absurd, NIMBY driven solutions to crime,
>>> also requires us to turn our backs on huge neighborhoods and populations
>>> who are victimized by violence daily.
>>>
>>> If we are going to stand for real, long term, policies to reduce violence
>>> and crime, we need to confront our own willingness to turn our backs on the
>>> majority of victims and communities. If there are flash mobs in center
>>> city and UCD, don't the people in other neighborhoods also suffer from
>>> violent perpetrators?
>>>
>>> I'm not diminishing the pain and trauma of these university city victims at
>>> all, but I'm begging people to open their hearts and minds to the victims
>>> across Philadelphia and the US so we can finally address these issues
>>> honestly. Next time we hear that upscale lights on commercial corridors or
>>> kicking poor people from the park is the answer to crime, I hope more
>>> people stand up and scream "LIARS"
>>>
>>> Let's start looking at and discussing our real problems honestly. And
>>> let's keep our neighbors security and needs in our thoughts as much as we
>>> consider our own!
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>> PS: Thanks Rick..." As Eldridge Cleaver said we all suffer, and it wasn't
>>> what we wanted, the greed&war machined people wanted us to feel it as
>>> inevitable! WE NEED A FAIR SOCIETY. Meanwhile we all suffer, the poor
>>> suffer the most, and the rich are plagued by indifference and callousness.
>>> Please teach us to be kinder. Please teach us to share. Please teach us
>>> and reach us with safer non-rape and non-repo forms of sex and power drives
>>> for our gratification and fulfillment! Please have mercy and justice.
>>> Help."
>>>
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>>>
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