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I respectfully request, as a lifelong cat person, that you read this. i am a lifelong cat person, with 5 current adopted kitties, three of which were rescued from the street as kittens and 2 adopted fromn shelters. On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:11 AM, Linda Lee <[email protected]> wrote: AGREED. L. On Feb 19, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Margie Politzer wrote: Indoor-outdoor pet cats should also be excluded since they often choose to be outside. My former cat Jenna (RIP) loved sleeping under a shady bush on the moist ground on the hottest of days. She actually hardly came inside on the hottest of days. > > >Really, I think cats should be excluded. They are generally not chained >outdoors without shelter like dogs are. > > >Margie > > > >On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Kathleen Turner wrote: > > >Because we have a "neighborhood feral", George, that several households on our >block feed and look after (although he's not as famous as USP Charlie), I >shared some of the messages about this with those neighbors. One of them >forwarded the question to Barbara Paul, who of course is the person who has >really pushed animal cruelty prosecutions in the Phila. DA's office. Here's >her response: >> >>I do not think that this would ever apply to feral cat caretakers. Feral >>cats are by their nature wild and un-possessable. But there should be >>language in the statute to explicitly exclude such caretakers. >> >>Nadia, please let us know what we can do to support the amendment you're >>working on -- sounds like it really is necessary. >> >>Kathleen >> >> >>On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Naomi Fior <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>Nadia, >>>Thank you for working to fix this bill preemptively. I think there does need >>>to be a law - just like there is a law that you must provide food, water & >>>shelter for an outside dog. Some people are ignorant pet owners either >>>because they don't know any better (a poor excuse) or don't care. Without a >>>law in place there is no support for concerned neighbors trying to do what >>>is in a neglected animal's best interest. I've seen it with my neighbors. >>>They take in an animal they do not have the means, time or know how to take >>>care of and the poor animal suffers. The most effective way to have >>>authorities intervene is through the legal system. >>>That being said, we also have an indoor-outdoor cat. He came to us when he >>>was 1-1/2 years old and had lived on the streets for some time. (Long enough >>>to get trapped, fixed, tipped & released.) He is content to let us take >>>care of him most of the time and is inside every night. But when the weather >>>permits, he wants out and he will raise hell if we try to stop him. (And we >>>have genuinely tried.) In the interest of our home, we let him out. It's >>>better for us because our things don't get peed on, shredded or otherwise >>>destroyed. And he keeps the squirrel population down and gets some exercise >>>which keeps his weight in a healthy range. He is up to date on shots, >>>microchiped and wears a collar (unless it just fell off). He stays close - >>>with in a 1/2 block radius - and is a fixture on our block. He's even got >>>some of the senior ladies feeding him treats! So he is semi-free roaming but >>>owned. Which seems like it is a grey area unless otherwise defined in this bill. Thank you Nadia for working to tighten this grey area up! >>>Naomi >>>(the other Naomi) >>> >>>On Feb 12, 2014 6:16 PM, "Gray Laub" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>I appreciate what you're attempting and agree that feral cat caregivers(?) >>>should not be prosecuted. But I'm in the same boat as Naomi with a cat who, >>>practically speaking, has possession, custody and control of us and our >>>house when he feels like it. Other times he may be at a neighbor's house. >>>And he never calls to let us know. Many of you may know Rusty at 46th and >>>Hazel. I prefer the bill to be defeated rather than fixed. The proposed >>>temperatures are ridiculous and there is no way we could comply anyway. In >>>true extremes would wanton disregard of pets' health be chargeable under >>>animal cruelty laws already on the books? >>>> >>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>On Feb 12, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Nadia Adawi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Sadly, the law on this is not that clear-cut - there have been numerous >>>>instances around the country where community cat caretakers have been found >>>>to have "possession, custody or control." >>>>>I am working with a couple of other lawyers to try to draft a possible >>>>>amendment to make it clear that this does not apply to "feral" or >>>>>free-roaming cats. >>>>> >>>>>Nadia >>>>> >>>>>Nadia Adawi, Esq., M.B.A. >>>>>Vice Chair, Pennsylvania Bar Association Animal Law Committee >>>>>[email protected] >>>>>(215) 292-3080 cell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Feb 12, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Horowitz, Tina wrote: >>>>>I think the important words here are “owns or has possession, custody or >>>>>control” – feral cats are by definition, wild, so I don’ t believe they >>>>>would apply here, even if someone maintains the colony regularly. I think >>>>>this bill clearly is targeted at people who have animals that have a home >>>>>that they can go to but are instead left outside. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Tina Horowitz >>>>>Wharton Financial Institutions Center >>>>>University of Pennsylvania >>>>>2306 SH-DH, 3620 Locust Walk >>>>>Philadelphia, PA 19104 >>>>>215-573-7382 >>>>>fax 215-573-8757 >>>>> >>>>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Nadia Adawi >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:39 PM >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Cc: [email protected]; UCNeighbors Neighbors >>>>>Subject: Re: Big concerns about this bill, need more information: Re: >>>>>[UCNeighbors] Dogs Left Outside >>>>> >>>>>Good catch - I just now pulled the proposed bill (Bill No. 140080) and it >>>>>reads: >>>>> >>>>>"... any person who owns or has possession, custody or control of a dog or >>>>>cat shall not allow the animal to remain outdoors (except for brief walks >>>>>and exercise) whenever the outside temperature falls below 32 degrees >>>>>Fahrenheit or rises above 85 degrees Fahrenheit or whenever inclement >>>>>weather conditions, including but not limited to rain, sleet, ice, snow or >>>>>wind are likely to threaten the health or safety of the animal." >>>>> >>>>>I am worried that this could include those of us who maintain feral cat >>>>>colonies as well. Let me ask some other animal lawyers what they think. >>>>> >>>>>Nadia >>>>> >>>>>Nadia Adawi, Esq., M.B.A. >>>>>[email protected] >>>>>(215) 292-3080 cell >>>>>The information transmitted in this e-mail is intended solely for the >>>>>person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or >>>>>privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination or other use >>>>>of this information by persons or entities other than the intended >>>>>recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient indicated >>>>>in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such >>>>>person), notify [email protected] immediately and delete this e-mail >>>>>from your system. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Naomi Segal wrote: >>>>>Cindy (or someone else) can you please get more details on this? The radio >>>>>report this morning that I heard included cats, and that would be a HUGE >>>>>problem for me or for anyone who cares for rescued or outdoor cats. >>>>> >>>>>Lots of people know our cat Charlie ("Charlie the Beloved USP Cat" on >>>>>Facebook; we didn't create that page, USP students did). Charlie was >>>>>rescued at 1 year old, almost 10 years ago. Once he felt healthier he made >>>>>it TOTALLY CLEAR that he would decide when he was going in and out, not >>>>>us, unless we or our other cats wanted to feel his wrath. He is very >>>>>annoyed at the weather this winter, but we've learned: We let him out, we >>>>>set a timer for 5 minutes, he comes back in. Or if it's super cold he >>>>>won't even go past the front door. He also has an insulated cat box on our >>>>>porch with hay. He hasn't been out overnight in months -- he's brought >>>>>himself back because he knows it's cold. But it's HIS choice, and can't be >>>>>ours, or else he couldn't live with us or probably anyone. >>>>> >>>>>It's the same for many cared for outdoor and rescued cats. >>>>> >>>>>Bottom line: If cats are part of this bill then PLEASE don't support it >>>>>until some changes are made. and if anyone can get more information on it >>>>>and post it then that would be wonderful. If it doesn't include cats and >>>>>was just a wrong report then THAT WOULD BE GREAT!! >>>>> >>>>>thanks. >>>>>Naomi (Segal) >>>>>On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Cindy Miller <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Councilman Kenyatta Johnson has proposed making it illegal to leave dogs >>>>>outside when temperatures are below 32 or above 85. You can email your >>>>>councilperson to express support for this at: >>>>>http://philadelphiacitycouncil.net/council-members/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/02/09/leaving-dogs-outside-in-freezing-cold-could-become-illegal-in-philadelphia/ >>>>> >>>>>-cindy >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ This message came to you by way of the Penn-FSNI mailing list: [email protected] To manage your subscription, visit this web page: https://groups.sas.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/penn-fsni
