Id like to know what PHP frameworks if any you use.

I don't use any. I have never felt like I needed one or that there would be much benefit, or that the cons would outweigh the benefits.

I think they are dumb, generally because they are unnecessary bloat. They have to make be generic and all encompassing to work for many scenarios so you have bloat. I like my stuff to be lean and mean and completely custom. I'm not saying that I like to reinvent the wheel just for the fun of it, but I need to have complete control of everything including the display and have confidence in ever aspect of the application from performance to security. There are a couple that I might consider like Code Ignighter, but for the most part there is no interest.

If a framework comes with a few things like a DB-connect module, a form engine, a validator, an authentication module… has a templating engine (separates the display from the business logic)… and a few other things like that… and that is all it does… then it could be helpful in jumpstarting you on a project and not reinventing the wheel each time, but if it does much more than that, then it's bloat and will actually be a hinderance as you will waste more time figuring out how to use it and trying to customize it then you would have just writing it yourself.

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