Joshua Simpson wrote:
On Feb 11, 2008 2:15 PM, Alvaro Carrasco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Roberto Mello wrote:
> ...
> Lastly, my personal opinion is that people who use MySQL are
> lacking some fundamental knowlege. They tend not to be very smart
> either.
> ...
Insulting the majority of the users on this list for no good
reason with
such a comment is a sign of someone who is not very smart.
That's MY "personal opinion".
Of course these are two examples of a "flame war" gone bad.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Personally, I would actually agree with Roberto to a point: the
majority of MySQL ( and so are the majority of PHP engineers - sad,
but true ) users are relative newbies to software engineering. For
many of them, PHP is their first actual language (a warning sign in
and of itself), and MySQL is their first actual DBMS. In a lot of
startups / small businesses, these duties are combined: sheesh,
sometimes, you'll have a guy who's system administrator, software
engineer, and DBA all rolled into one. Generally, you're going to end
up with some reaaaaaaal bad decisions: code-wise, systems-wise,
and/or DB-wise. Add to that that web development is extremely
"instantaneous orientated" -- the business types want something done.
Immediately. Like, yesterday. It's not the most conducive
environment for a beginner. An interesting side effect of this that
we're seeing is pseudo software engineers popping up everywhere: the
availability and demand of PHP has produced a lot of self taught
developers -- and not for the better, either.
Of course, MySQL doesn't have the tendency to teach bad habits like
PHP does, so I don't automatically assume that one is a newbie if
they're relying on MySQL in their stack. One can create well designed
databases in MySQL, especially with the advent of views, stored
procedures, and triggers in MySQL 5. If we're going to argue MySQL
versus *, we should bring up actual technical failings of MySQL:
clustering, it plays loose and fast with the SQL standard, etc.
People who're used to Oracle or Postgres will generally have issues
with MySQL, but they tend to ignore the fact that MySQL's read speeds
make it a great choice for a simple business web application ( of
course, I have a lot of issues with PERSONAL blogs and the like using
MySQL for no good reason -- just use SQLite! ).
...
It is true, that PHP and MySQL have more beginners that use them, but
that just means that they've been successful at keeping the learning
curve low. It doesn't say much about the competency of an individual
developer who uses them. I currently work with C# programmers that use
SQL Server and I think SQL Server is a piece of crap. I question their
choices, but not necessarily their intelligence.
Alvaro
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