Just had the same pain.

mrSignNotarizeHelperV3 was great and sorted all the MacOS command line stuff 
with ease ( I think LC should have this facility built into the standalone 
builder)

The Apple side of things unfortunately are what they are.

Regards
Camm

> On 28 Feb 2022, at 18:20, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I understand that perfectly. I am not blaming the LC people, but the net 
> effect is what it is. I *would* like to see the option for NOT codesigning 
> apps, so that the choice can be left up to us, but I suspect that with OS 11, 
> the option to run non-codesigned apps has already been deprecated. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:51 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> It isn't really a LiveCode ting. This is Apple placing these requirements on 
>> their developers no matter what language you write code in for the macOS.
>> 
>>> On 2/28/2022 12:43 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I guess the question now becomes, what is the last Livecode app that can 
>>> create standalones without requiring these certificates? I may need to 
>>> plant my flag there and go no further.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:36 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It occurs to me that this may drive a lot of hobbyist Livecoders away, and 
>>>> discourage others from coming onboard. There ought to be some kind of 
>>>> disclaimer on the website, since it is a paid product only now. I'd be a 
>>>> bit miffed if I bought an application for developing new apps and didn't 
>>>> know that there would be more cash outlay required before it would work.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:25 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, you really have to go through all of that. The few helper stacks out 
>>>>> there are just front ends (using the shell command to call command line 
>>>>> utilities from xcode) that make it easier once you have everything set up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, it sucks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/28/2022 12:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> Okay, so I am at the point that I cannot build apps without codesigning 
>>>>>> and notarizing. Livecode will throw an error now if I try and don't have 
>>>>>> these certificates installed. Great.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I have been going through the tutorial, and I see I have to be an 
>>>>>> Apple Developer, which means I have to shell out yet another $100 per 
>>>>>> year. Fine, I did that, even though my app is for internal consumption 
>>>>>> only.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now It appears that for me to get the certificates needed to create a 
>>>>>> Mac standalone, I need xCode! Okay, I go to download xCode, and it will 
>>>>>> not install because my MacOS is too old! 10.15.1 is apparently ancient! 
>>>>>> So I am at the point now where I am asking myself, is this really worth 
>>>>>> it? After all the back and forth on the list where people's certificates 
>>>>>> expire, or the version of xCode they are forced to use isn't compatible 
>>>>>> with one thing or another, is building Mac standalones really worth it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So my question is, do I really have to go through all this just to 
>>>>>> create a Mac standalone from livecode? Or do these other utilities, 
>>>>>> mrSignNotarizeHelperV3 for example, eliminate the need for all of that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>> 
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