Hi Heather
Thanks for clarifying things re the current EULA.
Still think the functionaly kill switch should have been clear on the
initial launch site @ https://future.livecode.com/faq/
If I may, just a few questions linger for me.
Does this EULA and the end of application functionality apply to Classic
or Create apps that don't utilise any of the LiveCode-provided backend
services?
Eg. If a devleoper happened to make the perfect little niche app for
persoanl use that didn't use any external services, will that also stop
working if subscription lapsed?
Re LC Classic, @
https://legacy.livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ under "Do
Standalones created with the LiveCode Standard Plan expire?"
The stated answer is:
No. Even if your LiveCode Standard Plan subscription is not renewed,
any standalones you built with it will go on working indefinitely.
Does this only apply to Classic apps developed from LC version 9 and below?
Current FAQ @ https://livecode.com/faq states:
You cannot buy LiveCode Classic on its own. You will receive a
complimentary license to LiveCode Classic with a purchase of Create,
while Create is still in beta.
Is that in relation to being able to switch between Create and Classic
mode in the DP releases? Because I can't seem to get LC10 activating
anymore.
At just a little over 21 years, I am very much at the conclusion that my
time with Metacard/Livecode is ending but I'm wondering as a courtesy
for many years of support if it would be possible to get a license for
LC9 to tidy up some old fav little tools and compile executables that
will last a few more years?
The only accessible Classic license in my online account seems to be for
LC5.5, which is probaly too old to be useful on current machines.
regards
alex
On 6/1/2026 2:08 am, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
Dear Curry,
Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback, and Happy New Year to you.
We have reviewed your comments regarding the LiveCode Create EULA. The EULA is
intentional, lawful, and reflects a licensing model that is standard and widely
used across the modern software industry. It is neither immoral nor illegal.
To clarify a key point: continued use of any licensed software is contingent on
that licence being valid and paid for. If a licence is not renewed or is
materially breached, there is no reasonable expectation that access to the
licensed platform—or services dependent upon it—should continue. This is a
basic and accepted principle of commercial software licensing.
Apps built with LiveCode Create may optionally make use of LiveCode-provided
services such as cloud hosting, backend infrastructure, and data services.
These services incur ongoing operational costs for us. It would not be
reasonable, or commercially viable, to expect LiveCode to continue providing
such services indefinitely for applications that are no longer licensed or
paying for those services. Similar provisions exist in the terms of most
commercial development tools, SaaS platforms, and cloud-backed systems in use
today.
The EULA will not be changed on the basis of this feedback.
Finally, please note that the use-livecode mailing list exists to help
participants use the software effectively. It is not a forum for repeated
accusations or attacks against LiveCode Ltd. We ask that discussion on the list
remains on topic. If individuals have specific questions regarding their
licence or require clarification on the EULA, I am always happy to address
those directly through appropriate support channels.
You are, of course, free to decide whether LiveCode Create is suitable for your
projects and risk profile, as with any other software tool. However, we do not
agree with your characterisation of the licence, and we do not accept the
conclusions you have drawn from it.
We consider this matter closed and do not intend to engage further on this
point. Please refrain from reposting on this thread or using similar
emotionally loaded language (bordering on slander in places) in respect of the
company or the licensing we have chosen to employ.
Kind regards,
Heather
Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com
Build Software You'll Never Outgrow
On 4 Jan 2026, at 23:23, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heriberto Torrado:
I honestly don’t know how to help LiveCode Ltd.
Yes - but luckily, it's so simple to help!
Here's how. In the LiveCode Create EULA ...
Twin clauses, Extreme risk -
8.2/3.3 Runtime kill switch = fragile Toy Apps.
Instant disaster! Loss of built products and users.
8.1 Blank check terms = legal/financial minefield.
No protections; this can bankrupt or derail operations.
Kill built apps?
This is nuclear! Likewise Blank check.
Not workable. Not safe. Not acceptable.
Remove those 2 - huge impact. More users and no downside.
People have been retooling elsewhere; no choice.
Because somewhere in the world, there is probably a child
who ... will discover LiveCode and realize that controlling
a computer and making the most of it can still be simple and fun.
Exactly - And a child or adult/senior needs positive, safe discovery;
Not a EULA gun to the head, with fragile Toy Apps!
Getting frustrated, harmed, or squeezed - that hurts everyone.
No excuse for Runtime kill switch and Blank check terms.
No legitimate purpose -
You can't gain more HONEST money with a Blank check.
You can't MORALLY or SAFELY leverage users with app kill switch.
I realized the giant risk; I use a custom AAC, etc! For handicap.
Imagine that cut off - I'm sure some others in same boat.
Both are extreme and dangerous. I realized it would be immoral
not to warn the rest of you! So I did.
Meet the LiveCode Create EULA -
https://livecode.com/eula
With the arrival of the Internet, large manufacturers such as
Microsoft and Apple pushed amateur programmers out of the ecosystem
Not quite! Amateur programmers today benefit from an abundance
of online resources and free tools. Just not the SAME tools.
Many dev tools do NOT require Internet login or any subscription.
But we want the HyperCard style dream to expand, right? So ...
A real LiveCode EULA fix is needed; not emotional persuasion techniques,
nor circular nostalgia exercises that lead away from any solution.
What I am certain about is that LiveCode must continue.
I hope for a fix; that is why I've donated my awareness effort
in free public service here, not easy after long illness!
Not thinking only of myself, and some chance of retaliation.
But I'm glad to speak up, because it's the only moral thing to do.
Opportunity -
LiveCode recently requested my feedback to help improve.
Glad to help. Easy to fix, if LiveCode chooses.
Either way, the HyperCard dream will expand further -
Among other dreams. Managing risk too, meanwhile.
A hug to everyone, and Happy New Year!
Thank you! Bright future / new year...
Best wishes,
Curry Kenworthy
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