Hello Alex, Could you please send this email to [email protected] where I will be happy to help you.
Best Regards, Heather > On 16 Jan 2026, at 05:06, Alex Shaw via use-livecode > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Heather > > Thanks for clarifying things re the current EULA. > > Still think the functionaly kill switch should have been clear on the initial > launch site @ https://future.livecode.com/faq/ > > If I may, just a few questions linger for me. > > Does this EULA and the end of application functionality apply to Classic or > Create apps that don't utilise any of the LiveCode-provided backend services? > > Eg. If a devleoper happened to make the perfect little niche app for persoanl > use that didn't use any external services, will that also stop working if > subscription lapsed? > > Re LC Classic, @ > https://legacy.livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/ under "Do > Standalones created with the LiveCode Standard Plan expire?" > > The stated answer is: > >> No. Even if your LiveCode Standard Plan subscription is not renewed, any >> standalones you built with it will go on working indefinitely. > > Does this only apply to Classic apps developed from LC version 9 and below? > > Current FAQ @ https://livecode.com/faq states: > >> You cannot buy LiveCode Classic on its own. You will receive a complimentary >> license to LiveCode Classic with a purchase of Create, while Create is still >> in beta. > > Is that in relation to being able to switch between Create and Classic mode > in the DP releases? Because I can't seem to get LC10 activating anymore. > > At just a little over 21 years, I am very much at the conclusion that my time > with Metacard/Livecode is ending but I'm wondering as a courtesy for many > years of support if it would be possible to get a license for LC9 to tidy up > some old fav little tools and compile executables that will last a few more > years? > > The only accessible Classic license in my online account seems to be for > LC5.5, which is probaly too old to be useful on current machines. > > regards > alex > > On 6/1/2026 2:08 am, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote: >> Dear Curry, >> >> Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback, and Happy New Year to >> you. >> >> We have reviewed your comments regarding the LiveCode Create EULA. The EULA >> is intentional, lawful, and reflects a licensing model that is standard and >> widely used across the modern software industry. It is neither immoral nor >> illegal. >> >> To clarify a key point: continued use of any licensed software is contingent >> on that licence being valid and paid for. If a licence is not renewed or is >> materially breached, there is no reasonable expectation that access to the >> licensed platform—or services dependent upon it—should continue. This is a >> basic and accepted principle of commercial software licensing. >> >> Apps built with LiveCode Create may optionally make use of LiveCode-provided >> services such as cloud hosting, backend infrastructure, and data services. >> These services incur ongoing operational costs for us. It would not be >> reasonable, or commercially viable, to expect LiveCode to continue providing >> such services indefinitely for applications that are no longer licensed or >> paying for those services. Similar provisions exist in the terms of most >> commercial development tools, SaaS platforms, and cloud-backed systems in >> use today. >> >> The EULA will not be changed on the basis of this feedback. >> >> Finally, please note that the use-livecode mailing list exists to help >> participants use the software effectively. It is not a forum for repeated >> accusations or attacks against LiveCode Ltd. We ask that discussion on the >> list remains on topic. If individuals have specific questions regarding >> their licence or require clarification on the EULA, I am always happy to >> address those directly through appropriate support channels. >> >> You are, of course, free to decide whether LiveCode Create is suitable for >> your projects and risk profile, as with any other software tool. However, we >> do not agree with your characterisation of the licence, and we do not accept >> the conclusions you have drawn from it. >> >> We consider this matter closed and do not intend to engage further on this >> point. Please refrain from reposting on this thread or using similar >> emotionally loaded language (bordering on slander in places) in respect of >> the company or the licensing we have chosen to employ. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Heather >> >> >> Heather Laine >> Customer Services Manager >> LiveCode Ltd >> www.livecode.com >> Build Software You'll Never Outgrow >> >>> On 4 Jan 2026, at 23:23, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Heriberto Torrado: >>> >>>> I honestly don’t know how to help LiveCode Ltd. >>> Yes - but luckily, it's so simple to help! >>> Here's how. In the LiveCode Create EULA ... >>> >>> Twin clauses, Extreme risk - >>> >>> 8.2/3.3 Runtime kill switch = fragile Toy Apps. >>> Instant disaster! Loss of built products and users. >>> >>> 8.1 Blank check terms = legal/financial minefield. >>> No protections; this can bankrupt or derail operations. >>> >>> Kill built apps? >>> >>> This is nuclear! Likewise Blank check. >>> Not workable. Not safe. Not acceptable. >>> >>> Remove those 2 - huge impact. More users and no downside. >>> People have been retooling elsewhere; no choice. >>> >>>> Because somewhere in the world, there is probably a child >>>> who ... will discover LiveCode and realize that controlling >>>> a computer and making the most of it can still be simple and fun. >>> Exactly - And a child or adult/senior needs positive, safe discovery; >>> Not a EULA gun to the head, with fragile Toy Apps! >>> >>> Getting frustrated, harmed, or squeezed - that hurts everyone. >>> No excuse for Runtime kill switch and Blank check terms. >>> >>> No legitimate purpose - >>> >>> You can't gain more HONEST money with a Blank check. >>> You can't MORALLY or SAFELY leverage users with app kill switch. >>> >>> I realized the giant risk; I use a custom AAC, etc! For handicap. >>> Imagine that cut off - I'm sure some others in same boat. >>> >>> Both are extreme and dangerous. I realized it would be immoral >>> not to warn the rest of you! So I did. >>> >>> Meet the LiveCode Create EULA - >>> https://livecode.com/eula >>> >>>> With the arrival of the Internet, large manufacturers such as >>>> Microsoft and Apple pushed amateur programmers out of the ecosystem >>> Not quite! Amateur programmers today benefit from an abundance >>> of online resources and free tools. Just not the SAME tools. >>> >>> Many dev tools do NOT require Internet login or any subscription. >>> But we want the HyperCard style dream to expand, right? So ... >>> >>> A real LiveCode EULA fix is needed; not emotional persuasion techniques, >>> nor circular nostalgia exercises that lead away from any solution. >>> >>>> What I am certain about is that LiveCode must continue. >>> I hope for a fix; that is why I've donated my awareness effort >>> in free public service here, not easy after long illness! >>> >>> Not thinking only of myself, and some chance of retaliation. >>> But I'm glad to speak up, because it's the only moral thing to do. >>> >>> Opportunity - >>> >>> LiveCode recently requested my feedback to help improve. >>> Glad to help. Easy to fix, if LiveCode chooses. >>> >>> Either way, the HyperCard dream will expand further - >>> Among other dreams. Managing risk too, meanwhile. >>> >>>> A hug to everyone, and Happy New Year! >>> Thank you! Bright future / new year... >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Curry Kenworthy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> [email protected] >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > [email protected] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list [email protected] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
