I found it. It's the menubar. Not sure why it at that position. I have a 
handler that sets the topleft of the menubar group to the topleft of the stack 
after setting the width of the group to the width of the stack because with 
Windows the menubar is opaque and it looks crappy when the menubar only goes 
part way across the window. It should always be 0,0, but neither here nor 
there. 

I am still able to alter the effectiveRect by dragging the right edge of the 
window to make the stack wider. I already submitted a bug report about that. 

Bob S


> On Jul 31, 2017, at 14:34 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >> Could there be a group with hidden border and a margin that puts the
> >> left edge at -1?
> >
> > Yes, but the formatted rect is supposed to IGNORE hidden objects.
> 
> The group's visible property set to false?
> 
> Or is it just that the showBorder is false?
> 
> If the former, file a bug report.
> 
> If the latter, problem solved.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin


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