Thanks Mark. I came to the same conclusion. For my purposes the first method is 
the best. I start with the short name of a datagrid, then tried to build the 
long name knowing the long id of the owning card. Instead it's easier to say:

there is a group <shortname> of <long id of card>

Bob S


> On Apr 12, 2018, at 05:14 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think the problem here is that you are mixing up to methods of referencing 
> controls...
> 
> You can either do:
> 
>  there is a group tGroupName of ...
> 
> As syntax *or* :
> 
>  there is a tLongIdOfGroup
> 
> The 'group' chunk expects a string which is a name of a group - it isn't the 
> same as putting 'group' in front of the string.
> 
> Try making tGridLongName with the word 'group' at the front (I think someone 
> else suggested this) then that should work.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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