Ahhh, the age-old battle between 'splitters' and 'lumpers'. I guess we you adopt a (Linnean) taxonomic metaphor then...
If you're a splitter then: xTalk is the genus (language group) and Revolution/Hypertalk/Supertalk are the species (languages) But if you're a lumper then: xTalk is the species (language) and Revolution/Hypertalk/Supertalk are the subspecies (language variants) Personally I couldn't care either way. Revolution is what it is. Terry... On 22/12/08 9:58 AM, "Randall Reetz" <[email protected]> wrote: > When someone adds a new function or even library to a version of C, do people > claim it isnt still C? The essence of xtalk is completly independent from > lexical additions. A better question would be "how many changes would you > have to make to an xtalk incarnation before you could legitimately clasify it > as its own language (at the level of C or Lisp)? This whole discussion is in > responces to posts that hung revTalk up at the taxonomic level with these > other legitimately different languages. I find that irresponsible and false. > That is all. > > By the way, and not that it matters... I hate C and java and lisp and dont > even particularly like smalltalk... Which is my way of thanking the true gods > of xtalk, allan and bill (and the other bill). > > I dont seek friends... I seek truth. > > randall > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brian Yennie" <[email protected]> > To: "How to use Revolution" <[email protected]> > Sent: 12/21/2008 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions... > > Randall, > > I'm not sure where your angst is coming from. This list if full of > people (myself included) that have given every possible credit to > SmallTalk, Hypercard, Supercard, et al. Nobody disagrees that Rev is > most certainly an xTalk language. I'm afraid you have vastly > underestimated (and belittled) the experience of people around here. > There are plenty of us who know darn well every last bit of xTalk > history and are quite familiar with other languages, including the > almighty C. People here have done every imaginable thing from day 1 of > xTalk's existence. > > Calling out "awkward logic", "rhetoric" and "Coolaid" drinking won't > get you very far and I'm quite sure that disagreeing with you is not > tantamount to failing to grasp your clear argument. Shockingly, many > of us completely understand your points, completely grasp several > programming languages and all of the history of xTalk and yet still > would disagree with you. > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I for one need not > drink Kool-Aid to disagree with it. > > Finally, your claim that RunRev has not made any significant > improvements to xTalk doesn't hold much water with me. Just for > starters, try a "repeat for each" loop in Hypercard. Or arrays. Or > say, running everything on Windows and Linux. Or as pure CGI scripting > language. Or try writing native socket scripts. Or compare the > performance of the compiler. Or imageData. Or... the many other things > I could surely name given more than a moment's thought. > >> It hardly seems reasonable to honor your imposibly awkward logic >> with a reply, but who i ask suggested calling Rev's script "the >> xtalk" or for that matter, "the" anythhing? I dont think anyone is >> confused by my clear argument. Maybe your thinking is confused by >> rhetoric within you. Coolaid. We all make wway too much of it >> right inside our own heads. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [email protected] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > [email protected] > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dr Terry Judd Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design) Biomedical Multimedia Unit Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences The University of Melbourne Parkville VIC 3052 AUSTRALIA 61-3 8344 0187 _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list [email protected] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
